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- Any challenge to the integrity of the Bible will very
likely draw the familiar prophecy-fulfillment response. "If the Bible
is not inspired of God," Christian fundamentalists will ask, "How
do you explain all of the prophecies that Jesus fulfilled ?" The answer
to this question is quite simple. The so-called prophecy fulfillments that
the New Testament writers claimed in the person and deeds of Jesus of Nazareth
were prophecy fulfillments only in the fertile imagination of the writers.
The famous virgin-birth prophecy (Isiah 7:14 and Matt. 1:23), the prophecy
of the messiah's birth in Bethlehem (Micah 5:2 and Matt. 2:6), the prophecy
of King Herod's slaughter of the children of Bethlehem (Jere. 31:15 and
Matt. 2:18) - these and many like them became prophecy fulfillments only
through the distortions and misapplications of the original Old Testament
statements. [or were created out of whole cloth with NO reference to other
scripture whatsoever].
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- To discuss these in depth would require an entire book,
so instead I will concentrate on another aspect of the prophecy-fulfillment
argument: New Testament claims of prophecy fulfillment for which no Old
Testament sources can be found. An example would be John 7:37-38, where
Jesus allegedly said, "If anyone thirsts, let him come to me and drink.
He who believes in me, as the Scripture has said, Out of his heart will
flow rivers of living water." At that time, the only scriptures were
the Old Testament, yet try as they have, Bible inerrantists have never
found this statement that Jesus said was in the the scriptures of his day.
The prophecy was nonexistent.
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- Similar to this is a "prophecy fulfillment"
that was referred to in Matthew 2:23. Here it was claimed that when Joseph
took his family to Nazareth, he fulfilled that "which was spoken by
the prophets, 'He [Jesus] shall be called a Nazarene.'" In all of
the Old Testament, however, neither the word Nazareth nor Nazarene is even
mentioned, so how could it be true that the prophets (plural) had predicted
that the messiah would be called a Nazarene? To avoid admitting that a
mistake was made, inerrantists point out that Matthew did not say that
this prophecy had been written; he said only that it had been "spoken"
by the prophets.
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- A weakness in this "explaination" is the fact
that Matthew routinely introduced alleged prophecy fulfillments by saying
that thus-and-so had been "spoken" by the prophets. He claimed,
for example, that the preaching of John the Baptist fulfilled what had
been "spoken" by Isaiah the prophet: "The voice of one crying
in the wilderness, Make ye ready the way of the Lord, Make his paths straight"
(2:3). However, this statement that Matthew said Isaiah had spoken is a
quotation of what had been WRITTEN in Isaiah 40:3.
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- Other written "prophecies" that Matthew introduced
by saying that they had been "spoken" can be found in 4:14-16
(Isaiah 9:1-2), 12:17-21 (Isaiah 42:1-4), 13:35 (Psalm 78:2), and 21:4-5
(Zechariah 9:9). Since all of these alleged prophecy statements can be
found in the Old Testament, we can only assume that Matthew's style was
to use the word spoken to introduce statements that had in fact been written.
Undoubtedly, he intended the expression to mean the same thing in 2:23
as it did elsewhere when he referred to things that had been "spoken"
by the prophets. Hence, he made a mistake in 2:23, because no prophet (much
less prophets) had ever written ANYTHING about Nazareth or Nazarenes.
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- In telling the story of Judas's suicide, Matthew erred
again in claiming that Jeremiah had prophesied about the purchase of the
field where Judas was buried. After casting down in the sanctuary the thirty
pieces of silver that he had been paid for betraying Jesus Judas went away
and hanged himself.
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- The priests then took the money and bought the potter's
field to bury Judas in. Matthew claimed that this was a prophecy fulfillment"
"Then was fulfilled that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet,
saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that
was priced, whom certain of the children of Israel did price; and they
gave them for the potter's field, as the Lord appointed me" (27:9-10).
In reality, however, no statement like this can be found in the book of
Jeremiah. Inerrantists will sometimes defend Matthew by referring to the
book Zechariah 11:12-13, which makes mention of thirty pieces of of silver
but in a context entirely different from the statement that Matthew "quoted".
Besides, even if Zechariah had obviously written the statement that Matthew
quoted, this would hardly acquit Matthew of error, because he said Jeremeiah,
not Zechariah, had made the prophecy.
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- A more serious nonexistent prophecy concerns the ver
foundation of Christianity. On the night of his alleged resurrection, Jesus
said to his disciples, "Thus it is written, that the Christ should
suffer, and rise again from the dead the third day" (Luke 24:46).
The Apostle Paul agreed with this claim that the scriptures had referred
to a third-day resurrection of the messiah: "For I delievered unto
you first of all that which also I received: that Christ died for our sins
according to the scriptures; and that he was buried; and that he hath been
raised on the third day according to the scriptures" (I Cor. 15:4-5).
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- Two New Testament writers, then, claimed that the scriptures
had spoken of a resureection of the messiah on the third day. The problem
that this claim poses for the prophecy-fulfillment argument is that no
one can cite a SINGLE Old Testament scripture that mentions a third-day
resurrection. As a matter of fact, no one can even cite a resurrection
of the messiah, PERIOD, but that is another article for another time.
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- [please see: http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/farrell_till/prophecy.html]
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- There are other major weaknesses in the prophecy-fulfillment
argument, but the fact that New Testament writers so often referred to
prophetic utterances that can't even be found in the Old Testament is enough
to cast serious doubt on their many claims of prophecy fulfillment. If
they are wrong when they referred to prophetic statements that cannot be
found ANYWHERE in the Old Testament, how can we know they were right when
they claimed fulfillment of statements that can be found but are not necessarily
connected to the fulfillments they cite ? The truth is that we can't.
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- FARRELL TILL is editor of THE SKEPTICAL REVIEW, a journal
of Bible criticism, and is engaged in formal, organized debates, both written
and verbal, with Bible inerrantists.
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- Rebuttal
James Neff
webmaster@sightings.com
- 5-30-00
- I won't raise an argument for Biblical "inerrancy"
as that means different things to different people, and by faith many regard
"inerrant" to mean precisely that, while others, equally faithful,
regard the canon of scripture, with whatever translational errors there
may be, (and understanding its purpose AND history) as sufficient and good
for all teaching and reproof, and nonetheless the "word of God."
-
- But the key issue is, the person what wrote the piece
on non-existent prophecies is clearly extremely ignorant of the facts.
Now let's make one thing very clear from the start: there are quotations
in the New Testament which speak to books or prophets or writers which
are not in the present canon. For example, in the epistle of Jude, Enoch
is quoted. Not from the Old Testament scriptures, that is to say, the Torah;
nor from the prophets... but from another book altogether, many today believe
that book to be The First Book of Enoch (available in almost any Bible
book store). Why isn't the first book of Enoch part of the Bible? Those
who have taken the time to study the counsels which determined Canon of
scripture know full well that if everything that 'could' have gone in was
placed in, the Holy Bible would have been 100 lbs or more. The purpose
of Canon was to assemble the best possible apportion of scriptures which
had for them the most soundly replicated and extant manuscripts available
whereby the words could be fully documented and verified with great certainty
as to authenticity and veracity. Some books were partial, due to damage
or loss; some were curious and great arguments raged over them for many,
many years, and some, like the Epistle of Barnabas, was considered inspired
but superfluous... and not many Christian scholars limit themselves to
reading only the Canon. The fact of the matter is, there is a great deal
missing from the Holy Bible, but the Holy Bible remains a sufficient, if
not the most excellent collection of ancient writings on earth. There are
more extant manuscripts to verify the writings of the old and new testament
books than there is for Shakespeare or Caesar's Wars.
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- As to prophecies...
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- Lets look at one which the writer above contends is rather
bald faced and ridiculous. That being that Jesus said it was prophecied
that he would be crucified, buried and raised on the third day. The writer
claims there is no such prophecy. Ah, but there is! Not one, but many.
What the writer doesn't have (apart from the Holy Spirit to guide him into
all truth and understanding regarding the scriptures!) is an understanding
of prophecy ITSELF. Jesus references the precise prophecy!
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- "For as Jonas (Jonah) was three days and three nights
in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights
in the heart of the earth." Matthew 12:40
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- Sometimes an event in the life of a prophet is a living
prophetic picture. The entire temple structure given to Moses is an archetypal
symbol of the Messiah himself and his life. Practically everuthing in the
Old Testament is a prophetic image of Messiah.
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- Another example, one which every Christian understands,
is the remarkable prophecy delieverd by King David in Psalm 22. Here, more
than 600 years before the Romans would invent the torturous method of execution
called 'crucifixion,' David, who was never crucified himself, prophecies
in extreme detail a first person perspective of the crucifixion of the
Lord Jesus Christ! The opening lines of which almost anyone knows from
the Gospels...
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- "My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why
art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my crying out?...
But I am a worm, and no man; a reproach of men, and despised of the people.
All they that see me laugh me to scorn: they stick out their lip, they
shake their heads, saying, "He trusted in the LORD that he would deliver
him: let him deliver him, seeing that he delighted in him!" ... Many
bulls have surrounded me... They gaped upon me with their mouths, as a
ravening and a roaring lion. I am poured out like water, and all my bones
are out of joint: my heart melts within my chest like wax. My strength
is dried up like a shattered pot; and my tongue clings to my jaws; ...
the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: THEY HAVE PIERCED MY HANDS
AND MY FEET. I can count all of my bones: they look and stare upon me.
They part my garments among them, and cast lots upon my vesture."
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- This never happened to King David, but by the spirit
of prophecy it was so written. And when Jesus Christ was nailed to the
cross, he cried out " Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani!"
Which is "My God, My God, why have you forsaken me?" so that
everyone would know to read the prophecy given by David in the 22nd Psalm,
and understand what was being fulfilled. They did indeed surround him.
They did indeed mock him and reduce him to shame. They did indeed insult
him and say "God delighted in you, let him save you now!" They
did indeed pierce his hands and his feet. The did indeed torment him with
a form of death which pulled all of his bones out of their joints and sockets,
dehydrated him an bled him just as it is written. And they did indeed cast
lots (gamble) for his robe, as it was a seamless garment and of some value
to the Roman guards who crucified him, whose wages were often very pitiable.
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- Was there a prophecy which stated that the Messiah would
be called Nazarene? Apart from the possibility that the Apostles are, like
Jude, quoting from a source which is not part of canon, there remains ample
evidence that the Messiah was to be an outcast of considerable ill repute.
What the writer of this piece does not understand is that there were certain
groups which were looked down upon by the prideful Jewish establishment.
Israel was a nation divded in two, by tribes. The ten tribes of Israel
were often regarded as lowly, while the tribes of Benjamin and Judah were
considered lofty (a jewish 'caste' system, of sorts). The Messiah was prophecied
to be born from the LEAST of the NATIONS... that is to say, the lowest
of the low:
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- (God speaking): "But as for you, Bethlehem Ephratah,
though you are considered to be so little compared to the thousands of
Judah, yet out of you shall he come forth for Me one that is to be ruler
of all Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from the very
days of eternity." (Micah 5:2)
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- And again, his lowly status is prophecied, centuries
in advance, and again, so many of the truths of the life of Messiah also
woven in the prophecy:
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- "For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant,
and as a root out of a dry ground: he has no beauty or special looks; and
when we shall see him, there is nothing special about him that we should
desire him. He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted
with grief: and we hid - as it were - our faces from him; he was despised,
and we esteemed him not. Surely he has borne our griefs, and carried our
sorrows: yet we did esteem him as being stricken, smitten even of God,
and afflicted. But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised
for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with
his stripes we are healed. All we like sheep have gone astray; we have
turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity
of us all. He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his
mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before
her shearers is silent, so he did not open his mouth (in self defense).
He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation?
for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression
of my people was he stricken. And he made his grave with the wicked (Christ
was crucified between two thieves, and had no burial place), and yet he
was with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither
was any deceit in his mouth (Joseph of Armiathea gave to Jesus his own,
expensive tomb for his body). Yet it pleased the LORD to crush him; he
hath put him to grief: when he would make his soul an offering for sin,
he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the
LORD shall prosper in his hand. (though dead, he would live again and see
his posterity)."
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- Despised and rejected of men, and counted as among the
unclean, the unwashed and the lowest of the low. This was a Nazarene. This
was a Galilean! To be called such in those days was to be given the strongest
of insults, for these were people who mingled with the gentile nations,
which were wrongly viewed by the jews to be "goy" or "cattle."
A Samaritan might have a higher place than someone from Galilee! In plain
language, it was prophecied in advance that the Messiah would be one who
came from the "wrong side of the tracks," so to speak. And he
did! But there was controversy even in his time, much less this stirred
up by the writer in question, regarding this:
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- "Many of the people therefore, when they heard this
saying, said, Of a truth this is the Prophet. Others said, This is the
Christ. But some said, Shall Christ come out of Galilee? Hath not the scripture
said, That Christ cometh of the seed of David, and out of the town of Bethlehem,
where David was? So there was a division among the people because of him."
(John 7:40)
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- But Jesus was, by Joseph, of the house of David. So both
attributes were true.
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- "And Joseph also went up from Galilee, out of the
city of Nazareth, into Judaea, unto the city of David, which is called
Bethlehem;(because he was of the house and lineage of David:)" (Luke
2:4)
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- It is sufficient that the number of prophecies which
ARE evident were fulfilled by the one man, Y'shua (Jesus) of Nazareth,
regarding the Messiah, even fitting perfectly into the time table given
by the prophet Daniel, who openly stated WHEN the Messiah would come and
what would happen to him (Daniel 9:25) "Know therefore and understand,
that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem
unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks (of years), and threescore
and two weeks (of years): the street shall be built again, and the wall,
even in troublous times." And so it came to pass. From the time of
the signing of a decree by Persian king Artaxerses Longanimus in 444 B.C.,
the precise time passed and Jesus of Nazarth rode into the city of David
on the fole of an ass, hailed by the people ( as was prophecied even down
to the foal of an ass he would ride! -- Zechariah 9:9 "Rejoice greatly,
O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh
unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an
ass, even upon a colt, the foal of an ass"), and as recorded in the
New Testament Gospels,
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- ".. [they] brought the ass, and the colt, and put
on them their clothes, and they set him (Jesus) thereon. And a very great
multitude spread their garments in the way; others cut down branches from
the trees, and strawed them in the way. And the multitudes that went before,
and that followed, cried, saying, Hosanna to the son of David: Blessed
is he that cometh in the name of the Lord; Hosanna in the highest. And
when he was come into Jerusalem, all the city was moved, saying, Who is
this? And the multitude said, This is Jesus the prophet of Nazareth of
Galilee. And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that
sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the moneychangers,
and the seats of them that sold doves (for sacrifice), And said unto them,
'It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but ye have
made it a den of thieves!' And the blind and the lame came to him in the
temple; and he healed them." (Matthew 21:7)
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- Indeed, there may be some seriously obscure prophetic
quotations in the New Testament; prophecy is a very spiritual and sometimes
strange thing... and, for which there is a very difficult study involved
to discover its roots (one need only look at the liberality with which
the Apostle Paul quotes and mixed prophecies... it is by a spiritual mind
that such is accomplished, "for the natural mind of man cannot recieve
the things of God"). But in the end, there is far more evidence to
demonstrate that the prophecies are intact and were fulfilled, even to
the letter, than there is the scattered, desperate debunkings of those
fearful of a trustworthy Word of God. One thing is quite clear; the debunkers
generally don't know the Bible, have never read and curiously seem to be
blinded to many of it's more interesting elements rendering them 'full
of sound and fury, signifying nothing.'
-
-
- More Debate...
- Thanks for Mark Palmer
for operating as go-between here
Farrel Till was alerted to the rebuttal by Mark and this email resulted...
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- TILL
I'm confused. Did you write this or is it something you are forwarding
to me from James Neff? You weren't clear about it, so if Neff wrote it,
would you forward my reply to him ( he did )
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- TILL I have a policy of not engaging in private correspondence
on biblical issues, because the time investment is too much for something
that only one other person will read. I have a standing challenge to debate
anyone who thinks that he can prove a single biblical prophecy fulfillment.
You didn't do it here, and I would be glad to demonstrate your failure
in an internet debate where we would have an audience of hundreds.
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- Please contact me and let me know if you are willing
to defend your claim that prophecies were "clearly" fulfilled.
We will see just who is "extremely ignorant of the facts."
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- I would be particularly interested in seeing you defend
the first prophecy you referred to ( quoting my rebuttal )
- Lets look at one which the writer above contends is rather
bald faced and ridiculous. That being that Jesus said it was prophecied
that he would be crucified, buried and raised on the third day. The writer
claims there is no such prophecy. Ah, but there is! Not one, but many.
What the writer doesn't have (apart from the Holy Spirit to guide him into
all truth and understanding regarding the scriptures!) is an understanding
of prophecy ITSELF. Jesus references the precise prophecy!
-
- "For as Jonas (Jonah) was three days and three nights
in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights
in the heart of the earth." Matthew 12:40
-
-
- I'll eagerly await your reply. Meanwhile, I am going
to forward to you an article that I wrote on the third-day prophecy and
published in *The Skeptical Review.* I wrote it for someone who promised
that he would reply to it. (In my paper, I give the opposition space to
submit their articles in defense of the Bible.) The party backed out, and
although I have announced that I will publish responses to this article,
no one has accepted the offer. Perhaps you would like to accept it. Your
reply will be published in TSR and then later posted on its web site. You
have the opportunity to show thousands of people that the third-day prophecy
was fulfilled. I would think you would jump at the chance to do this.
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- May I suggest that if you are going to try to write on
the subject of prophecy, you should take the time to learn the difference
in "prophecy" and "prophesy." The former is the noun,
and the latter is the verb. You don't do much to instill confidence that
you are informed in the subject when you confuse the two.
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- Farrell Till Skepticism, Inc.
- jftill@midwest.net
Response
Indeed, I quite often slip on my keyboard between Prophecy and Prophesy...
now that this is to one side. ..
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- I don't have the time either for an email debate... just
too busy. We recieved your interesting (though lacking) attack on the prophets
and thought it interesting enough to run, and to which I wrote a short
rebuttal. I've dealt with skeptics before and the proof they want for any
fulfilled prophecy is the impossible... that is, to be hand-walked through
several years worth of Bible study then several years worth of archeological
evidences, and it just never ends. Nothing is ever regarded as adequate
proof or evidence. So, I don't presume to be able to "prove"
any prophecy of scripture to you. I've been that route with skeptics before,
it's a grand waste of time. What I felt needed to be addressed was your
inability to locate where the "missing" prophecies were. Jesus
identified where the prophecy of being three days and three nights in the
heart of the earth came from, so your original assertion...
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- '''' more serious nonexistent prophecy
concerns the ver foundation of Christianity. On the night of his alleged
resurrection, Jesus said to his disciples, "Thus it is written, that
the Christ should suffer, and rise again from the dead the third day"
(Luke 24:46). The Apostle Paul agreed with this claim that the scriptures
had referred to a third-day resurrection of the messiah: "For I delievered
unto you first of all that which also I received: that Christ died for
our sins according to the scriptures; and that he was buried; and that
he hath been raised on the third day according to the scriptures"
(I Cor. 15:4-5).
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- Two New Testament writers, then, claimed
that the scriptures had spoken of a resurrection of the messiah on the
third day. The problem that this claim poses for the prophecy-fulfillment
argument is that no one can cite a SINGLE Old Testament scripture that
mentions a third-day resurrection. As a matter of fact, no one can even
cite a resurrection of the messiah, PERIOD, but that is another article
for another time. '''
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- .... was incorrect.
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- Jesus' own commentary about Jonah demonstrates that you
simply don't know what you're looking for when you're looking for a PROPHECY.
Jonah's experience WAS that prophecy. Living symbols are continual throughout
scripture, and almost all scripture is prophetic.
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- As to your second statement, that there's no mention
of messiah being resurrected in the Old Testament, nothing could be further
from the truth. I demonstrated this clearly in my rebuttal (http://www.sightings.com/general/inerr.htm)
-- one the greatest prophecies is Psalm 16:10 "For you will not leave
my soul in Sheol (the grave), Neither will you allow your holy one to see
corruption." It is your claim these prophecies are "non-existent."
They sure seem to exist to everyone well studied in the scriptures. My
guess is you either don't know of them, or dismiss the ones that don't
fit some specific criteria for what a prophecy is.
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- The resurrection of the dead is not special to the new
testament. Job said "Though the skin worms shall devour my flesh in
the grave, yet I shall stand on the earth in the last day, and my eyes
shall behold my redeemer." Resurrection was a MYSTERY under the first
covenant, but not absent. Daniel clearly sees the Messiah come (Daniel
9:25) and be "cut off" (in the hebrew, 'killed' or 'cut off from
the land of the living') in (in verse 26), then Daniel sees the Prince
of the Most High coming from heaven and receiving the everlasting kingdom.
He did not comprehend what he saw in the vision; his vision did not even
grasp the entire 'church age'; but after Christ fulfilled the prophecies,
it was clear what Daniel saw. Is that 'interpretation'? Yes, of course.
In my rebuttal I also demonstrated that Isaiah prophecied of the resurrection,
when he says he will be cut off from the land of the living, and be with
a rich man in his death, yet, he would live to see his posterity. So, what
you call non-existent is far from non-existent. Maybe you can't SEE it.
But it's there.
-
- Additionally, Christ's resurrection is shown in the OT
prophet Zechariah 13:6 "And one shall say unto him, What are these
wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded
in the house of my friends."
- James Neff
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-
- Comment
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- From: "Greggor Gregory"
- gregggor@hotmail.com
-
- It's not that I agree with the proponent of "Non-Existent
Prophecies: A Problem for Bible Inerrancy?" so much as I couldn't
stop laughing at Mr. Neff's rebuttal. In fact, I love Jesus dearly, but
not ignorantly, blindly, or how King James or Francis Bacon or John Paul
II tells me to. Below I have quoted one sentence of Mr. Neff's defensive
statement about why the Bible has been so redacted by whoever wears holds
the power in Rome. REINCARNATION was also redacted from the Bible despite
the New Testament clearly addressing it in many places, such as when Jesus
asks His followers who he is and they chant various "dead" prophets.
But, what I chuckled so much over was the Freudian slip or should I say
slap contained in the following quote:
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- "The purpose of Canon was to assemble the best possible
apportion of scriptures which had for them the most DUPLICITOUS and extant
manuscripts available whereby the words could be fully documented and verified
with great certainty as to authenticity and veracity."
-
- DUPLICITOUS, for your information, Mr. Neff, means fraudulent,
deceptive, contrived or invented from whole cloth.
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- Loving Jesus does not mean to be bound to the "Scriptures"
that have been redacted and otherwise modified on numerous occasions. Where
did Jesus say to find the Kingdom of Heaven? Within your own heart. Not
in the Psalms, not in Job, Not in Mark or Luke (which weren't written then),
but within your heart. Why did Jesus say "Seek and Ye shall find?"
Why would you look for God in a book? If you don't know God in your heart,
of what use are writings? "My people shall perish for lack of knowledge."
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- Gregor
-
-
- Ouch...! you snagged me good on that one Greg. I have
corrected my phrase. Ok, while I heal from this wound, I would not entirely
disagree with you -- there is alot of lost knowledge (though we might not
agree on particulars).
-
- PS: 'Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every
word that proceeds from the mouth of God' says alot to both our views,
I think ... and, Jesus said the Kingdom of heaven was "in your midsts"....
speaking of himself being among men; HE is the kingdom of heaven. Re-read
his Kingdom parables with Christ himself in mind and they take on a whole
new meaning. It has been oft mistranslated to read "inside you"
or "within you."
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- Your input is appreciated.
-
- - Neff
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