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- Loved the Riley appearance with Jeff...enough so that
I transcribed the gun control portion of it. Thought it might be good to
post it on your headlines. Everyone should be aware of this! _____
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- This is a transcript of a portion of Capt. Joyce Riley's
most recent appearance on the Jeff Rense Program, Sunday, September 3,
2000. This particular broadcast was an encore presentation of a show aired
the previous week which failed to Archive properly at Yahoo/Broadcast.com.
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- JEFF: First up, it's a great pleasure to have one of
my heroes back on this program. Capt. Joyce Riley has been a friend for
a number of years now, and who, if anybody, single-handedly blew the cover
off the outrageous, despicable cover-up and disservice, if not rape, of
the honor of our veterans. Joyce Riley did it...and she's back tonight.
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- Hi Joyce, how are you?
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- JOYCE: I tell you Jeff, your words are very kind. But
it's a story that's been long in coming and I think we're about there.
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- JEFF: I know the door has been pushed open wide. The
information is beginning to flow. I think we've 'got 'em on the run' as
they say. They've turned in the other direction, at least.
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- JOYCE: Yes, and I'll tell you, your program played a
big role in that because you really broke the story and I think that had
we not had access to talk radio, I don't know what we would have done,
because talk radio has been the only source of information to the public
as well as the only source of getting through information, prior to Internet,
to the veterans themselves. Talk radio has stimulated it all.
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- JEFF: I agree, and I was just trying to think this afternoon,
when was the first time I had the privilege of meeting and having you on
the program. It's got to be 5-6 years now.
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- JOYCE: I believe it was 1995. One of the first programs
I ever did, and boy I was scared to death that night. You did a phenomenal
program and the message is still resounding out there. You know, everything
that we said on the program that night is still true today. No one's ever
disproven anything that I've said. And I think we're come an awful long
way.
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- JEFF: She's got her own radio program now. Joyce, tell
us about that quickly.
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- JOYCE: Well, I'm doing a 2-hour radio show with my husband.
We co-host a program called "The Power Hour" in which we examine
some of the issues with the people involved. For instance, the issue of
Federal Reserve. Is it "Federal" or not? We asked the Vice President
of the Federal Reserve to come on our program and explain. And there were
some very educated callers and he had to admit that it was a private banking
organization. So we like to go into the issues and bring out the people
behind the issues and confront them on the radio.
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- JEFF: I have a program coming up tomorrow night, which
is basically made possible by you, because of the recommendation. It is
going to be, I think, every bit as fascinating as our visit tonight. A
fascinating program indeed. The guest tomorrow night is retired Major Glenn
McDonald.
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- JOYCE: Oh, fantastic! I'll tell you, that is one of the
sources. I always say that not only can you take to the bank what he says,
but you can take him to the bank. He is an incredible person, so I'm really
pleased that your audience will be able to hear from him. He has some information
that is unbelievable regarding the corruption in the military.
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- JEFF: His website is militarycorruption.com We're going
to get into some things tomorrow night that will make many of you ill,
when you think about how it was 30-40 years ago in this country. Things
have changed but fortunately there are people like Capt. Joyce Riley out
there to make sure there is some accountability. Even though it takes 5,
6, 7, 8 years, 10 years - whatever it takes - she'll get the job done,
with all of you out there helping, which has been the case from the beginning.
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- OK, what is the latest now? There's something new on
the V.A. benefits front...
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- JOYCE: Well, I think the one thing that is upsetting
the military right now, the veterans of the Vietnam conflict, is this issue
of turning over of medical records to the FBI. Now, this is a very shocking
story and it is on our website at gulfwarvets.com and you can click on
there, go to "hot info" and follow it yourself. Because the statement
I get over and over again, from nearly everybody that hears it is, "This
couldn't be true. It can't be happening."
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- What happened is that in November of 1999, the V.A.,
through the Veterans Benefit Agency, decided that, for whatever reason,
they would turn over medical records to the FBI of anyone who had been
"adjudicated by the V.A. to be a mental incompetent or a mental defective."
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- JEFF: Hold on, just a second. What? The FBI? The V.A.
decides who is mentally competent or not and turns over records to the
FBI? Our veterans?
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- JOYCE: That's exactly right. Now, the giant kangaroo
court they call "adjudication" by the V.A. is nothing more than
the V.A. deciding however they want to determine someone's future. The
true meaning of "adjudication" is adjudicated by a court of law.
That would be legal term "adjudication." But, of course, the
V.A. decides, in their own brilliance, what they will determine to be mental
incompetent or mental defective, as far as I know. I have not been able
to get the policy as to how they are determining that.
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- JEFF: I'd like to see those guidelines, yeah.
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- JOYCE: Absolutely, I tried requested them today from
the St. Louis V.A. And what they have done to this point in time - I don't
know the number, but at that time in November of '99, they turned over
90,000 medical records, and the psychiatric records. Now here's the problem.
You remember after the Vietnam war, of course there was no Agent Orange,
nobody was sick, everybody was fine, except we had a lot of people who
were very ill. So the V.A. said, in its brilliance, "OK, we'll give
zero percent disability for Agent Orange, since it doesn't exist, or you
can take this 100% disability for PTSD, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder,
which do you want?" Well, obviously they had no choice, they needed
to feed their families, they couldn't work and they took the PTSD.
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- JEFF: So, PTSD leans into the area of mental competence?
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- JOYCE: That's correct. I cannot say whether PTSD is included
in their guidelines. I can only say that they kind of erred on the side
of wanting everyone to have a psychiatric diagnosis. Now, the same thing
is happening with Gulf War veterans. 90% of them have now received psychiatric
diagnoses. So we had the most mentally ill military ever, if you believe
the V.A., that went to fight Desert Shield and Storm.
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- JEFF: It's tough to carry a combat weapon when you're
in a white straight jacket.
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- JOYCE: No kidding...and to do top level cryptography
and to fly F-16's.
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- JEFF: A lot of you people are probably scratching your
heads. And it's worse than that.
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- JOYCE: So they took these records and turned them over
to the FBI and basically they can't pass the national instant background
check. This is part of the Brady gun law. Now what they did, in my estimation,
is absolutely destroy these veterans for any kind of future credibility
by giving them a mental disorder in the first place. But now, not only
can they not own a gun, Jeff, but nobody in the household can own a gun.
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- JEFF: They are pushing the destruction of the Second
Amendment in so many ways. Furtively, in your face, stealth, it doesn't
matter. This is a massive onslaught on the Constitution.
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- JOYCE: And besides that, they are pushing these guys
over the edge. Because I talked to a Vietnam vet just before I went on
the air a few minutes ago. He called and said, "I'll tell you right
now, I can not believe that I heard on the air. I can not believe that
this is true."
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- I said, "I'm sorry, but this is true."
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- And he said, "You do that to me, I'm 100% PPSB because
I was dowsed with Agent Orange the whole time, I am so sick. But I can
own a gun and that is my constitutional right. He said, "How can I
appeal this?"
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- I said, "What the statement says is that if you
have been adjudicated to be incompetent and you decide you don't want to
be incompetent anymore, or if you disprove the incompetency, you still
can never own a gun. They already closed that loophole. So, not only can't
you own a gun, no one in your family own a gun, but they are going to push
this to a point now where not only can't you purchase a new gun."
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- But guess what is right on the heels? Gun confiscation
of the ones that are existing in the home.
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- JEFF: Now is this handguns, or shotgun, rifle, everything?
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- JOYCE: It doesn't say. It simply says you cannot own
weapons, cannot pass the Brady background check.
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- So I have talked about this on the air. A veteran of
22 years in the military contacted the St. Louis V.A. and asked of the
administrator, wanted to know for a FOIA request, is this true or not?
The St. Louis V.A. director, a Miss Kurz, denied that it was accurate.
Said in a letter that this would never happen. Now this was only 3 weeks
ago.
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- So I contacted her and said "Maam, I think you need
to recheck the information because you are wrong. This is happening. These
vets are being strung around. This happens all the time. The V.A. denies
everything that's going on." Obviously if you didn't have a mental
illness when you started dealing with the V.A., you will after awhile.
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- Sure enough, after going through Public Relations, the
whole 9 yards, sure enough they called me back today and said I was right
and the director of the V.A. was wrong.
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- So, what we're seeing now is that these veterans are
starting to see what's going on. I have not heard of anybody that has been
denied a gun as of yet. They have not contacted me. But I'll tell you what,
they put all of those Vietnam veterans on mental disorders, somatoform
disorders, psycho-social disorders, schizophrenia, whatever you want to
call it. Because they fed them LSD while they were trying to fight a war
in DZ. Well, no wonder they have after-effects. But it wasn't their fault.
And I guarantee you, they are not going to lose their Second Amendment
right over this.
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- This man told me today, "I'll tell you what, it
may start with us, but it's not going to end with us until the whole country
responds to this."
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- JEFF: Amazing...the onslaught against the Second Amendment
continues. This is just the latest wrinkle.
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- [BREAK]
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- JEFF: It's always been a question, at what level, and
it obviously has to be the highest, but is it even a higher level than
the V.A. that this kind of madness is being orchestrated? To typecast our
vets as being psychiatrically unbalanced and now to take away their Second
Amendment rights because they have been so labeled. But who is pulling
the strings? How high up does this go?
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- JOYCE: Well, I can't tell you how high it goes. Well,
let me tell you this much, that when the Brady Bill was introduced they,
according to the veteran benefits agency, did something that I think is
unconscionable. They adopted as one of the reasons that you can not purchase
a gun the V.A.'s definition of incompetence. Now listen to this, the ATF
defined 7 categories of individuals prohibited from purchasing or redeeming
firearms. ATF incorporated the V.A. definition of incompetence because
of injury or disease of lack of mental du-du-du-du-dah. That was back when
they adopted the Brady Bill. How they did they know that they wanted to
utilize the V.A.'s definition to preclude the purchase of weapons? I think
it goes way above the V.A.
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- JEFF: I agree. Amazing. That's frightening. How many
vets now legally, at this point in time, can't own weapons?
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- JOYCE: I don't have any idea. I couldn't even guess at
the number. But if the initial handover of medical records is 90,000, that
was just the initial one and they said they were going to continue to do
that on an ongoing basis, I think we're talking millions of veterans.
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- JEFF: It sounds to me like it's a mass effort at disarming
veterans.
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- JOYCE: That's right. And the vets that I was talking
to tonight said, "I'll tell you right now, we're the guys they don't
want to have weapons. And I think it's becoming painfully obvious.
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- JEFF: That's right. This is a very big development. Thanks
for breaking it right here. Another sickening chapter in this tawdry saga
of what this country does to its veterans.
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- (A caller joins in...)
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- CALLER: What she was talking about, I just tuned into
your show and caught the end of it. Suddenly something that happened to
me yesterday made sense.
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- JEFF: You're a veteran?
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- CALLER: I went to the V.A. for a followup on a breathing
problem I'm being treated for and at the end of the interview the doctor,
just out of the blue, asked me if I was depressed. That's something I've
never been asked before. I wondered where in the world it came from and
later on wondered if there was a directive, if all the vets were to be
asked that.
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- JEFF: Was he just writing things down, or was he recording
this interview?
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- CALLER: After I responded to that, it was a woman doctor,
she made a note in my file. I couldn't see what it was. I'd never been
asked that before. There was no basis for a breathing problem in asking
somebody if they were depressed. I was suspcious about it and thought it
might have been a directive they'd been issued.
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- JEFF: Any other veterans you've talked to?
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- CALLER: I've only asked one other person since then about
and haven't interact with any other vets, but I'd sure be interested in
finding out this some standard question that is being asked now, because
I'd never, in all the time I've been in the V.A. system been asked that
or even asked anything about psychological evaluation.
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- JEFF: Sounds like a new policy to me.
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- JOYCE: That is a new protocol. They are now going to
ask every person at the V.A. if they are depressed. In fact they are going
to give a depression questionnaire. And if you fill it out, and if you
incriminate yourself, you'll have put yourself into this very same situation.
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- This is the kind of incredible heinous cruelty that's
happening to our veterans right now. They don't know what they are doing.
In fact I had one man who filled it out and it said, "Have you ever
been depressed?" And he said he was when he was 12 years old because
his mother died and they labelled him as Post Traumatic Stress Disorder.
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- JEFF: Again, this has to be coming down from the uppermost
levels of the V.A. and, of course, there's another level above that. This
is a carefully orchestrated campaign to undermine a large proportion of
this society and take away its Second Amendment rights. They are going
to disarm this country any way they can. There are many efforts underway,
this is just the newest one, and it is sickening.
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- Comment
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- From Joe 9-6-00
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- Mr. Rense,
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- After reading the transcripted article, my wife asked
a very odd question.
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- "If all veterans with PTSD are not able to own a
weapon because they are 'depressed', then what of the millions of kids
now taking anti-depressants for ADHD (Prozac, Paxil, etc.)"
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- As Alice said "Curiouser and curiouser."
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- Great site and show, keep us informed.
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