- Dear Bill Mahr,
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- Hello Mate !!!
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- I am NOT an American, neither do I have ANY idea why
you have sent me your e-mail as I have not posted anything suggesting that
either YOU (Bill Mahr), nor any other American, is a murderer.
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- However, as you have sent me such an antagonistic and
un-requested communication I feel it necessary to respond with some home
truths.
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- Firstly, I must admit to thoughts on numerous occasions
that the current US Administration are mass murderers .............Luckily
in Australia such thoughts are not yet illegal - as I sense seems to be
an increasing reality in what was once called the "land of the free"
..............
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- Your info regarding Saddam ordering his generals to gas
an entire city of Kurds is challenged by your very own past CIA Chief in
the area at the time who stated a few months ago (New York Times, I believe)
that this was deliberate CIA disinformation spread at the time of Gulf
War I to malign Saddam Hussein - when, in fact, it was an IRANIAN attack
that gassed the Kurds. Saddam did NOT do it.
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- Not to say that Saddam is a wonderful chap deserving
of life, but he is about as bad as your very own Rumsfeldt (who was party
to the US supporting him with chemical weapons sales during the Iraq-Iran
war) and Bush & Cheney who are just simple fascist scum.
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- Your dictum that the US invasion of Iraq was designed
to remove Saddam Hussein from power over the 'poor Iraqi people' is somewhat
tarred by the lengthy US covert support for Saddam over many, many years
(plus your support of numerous other despots worldwide over the last 50
years) and the fact that the immediate pre-Iraq invasion spin was about
the necessity of removing WMD - unfortunately utterly lacking in evidence
AFTER the invasion. To a non-American, it seems that you only work up a
sweat about "your" despots after they bite your hand or leg.
Noriega, Marcos, Hussein, etc, etc. The rest of "your" appointments
such as Pinochet, et al, (see article from Australian newspaper below detailing
the rest) seem to somehow fail to qualify for removal !!!
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- Obviously, recent US actions following your 911 "justification"
(methinks somewhat equivalent to the sinking of the Maine) are designed
to gain control of world oil resources. Equally obviously, your Mr Rockefeller
lurks behind these actions operating through his puppets - as his family
has done for over 80 years.
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- I would personally prefer it for your troops to leave
Iraq ASAP. Your troops cannot be blamed for carrying out orders but when
orders are illegal or directly contrary to humanity - individuals face
a personal decision as regards their ethics. Lately, troops are said to
not to be responsible for the orders of their superiors and government
BUT that did not help many German troops at the kangaroo court Nuremburg
trials...........
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- As long as your government continues to invade countries
and cause internal coup d'etats to gain control of countries with the aim
of looting resources, you will get painted with the brush of world negative
admiration. Basically, the USA has gone over to the use of "stand
over tactics" to support its survival.
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- Your Federal Reserve have massively looted and mismanaged
the US Dollar and your economy. You are about to pay for that big-time,
whilst the shareholders of that organization set up the rest of the world
as the "patsies" and for looting to pay for their mismanagement
- to divert your patriotic fervor to areas outside of the USA, so that
you don't burn them down - like true patriotic Americans did to the last
two previous Federal Reserve organizations.
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- I have visited the USA and lived-worked there for a couple
of years. I am friends with many Americans. I have worked with many wonderful
American people and consider you a great group that ONCE had high humanistic
ideals and acted as a beacon of hope and freedom for the world. BUT now
you have been subverted and taken over by one of the most evil fascist
gangs the World has ever seen. Unless you remove the current government
and work to undo the VERY GREAT damage inflicted on your reputation by
Bush and friends, you are doomed to implode. History shows us that countries
which adopt the rape, loot, and pillage mode rarely prosper for long. It
always ends in tragedy.
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- Unfortunately, I suspect that there will be many more
murders BEFORE this game is settled.
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- I wish you the very best for the future and sincerely
hope you do not ever deserve the epithet "murderer". However,
unless you remove those from your society who do qualify for such a label,
you WILL be tarred with the crime of association with same...............
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- Yours Sincerely,
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- Harry Mason PERTH, Western Australia.
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- THE AGE (Melbourne) Weekend Edition
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- December 27 / 28, 2003
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- The Bad Guys We Once Thought Good - Where Are They Now?
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- By Scott Burchill
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- Central Intelligence Agency, Langley Virginia
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- Office of Villains
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- Department of Wayward Clients and Unsavory Friends Status
Report: December 2003
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- To: George J. Tenet, Director of Central Intelligence
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- Below is the updated report you asked us to prepare with
comments, in light of Saddam's apprehension. With the exception of Warren
Anderson, we have omitted US nationals (e.g. Kissinger) from the list.
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- Deceased
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- Ferdinand Marcos (Philippines), Nicolae Ceausescu (Romania),
Mobutu Sese Seko (Congo/Zaire), Pol Pot (Cambodia), Heydar Aliyev (Azerbaijan)
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- Comment: Good friends before most became liabilities.
Marcos--greatly admired by Paul Wolfowitz--died soon after we got him to
Hawaii, while Ceausescu passed on more suddenly than we expected after
many years of loyal service. Pol Pot hung on far too long but had the decency
to keep out of sight until the end. Aliyev was much appreciated for bringing
dynastic succession and a pro-Western oil policy to Central Asia.
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- In custody on trial or awaiting trial
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- Manuel Noriega (Panama), Slobodan Milosevic (fmr Yugoslavia--The
Hague), Saddam Hussein (Iraq)
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- Comment: We managed to gloss over the revelation that
Noriega was on the CIA payroll under GWB's father before jailing him. Hopefully
we can do the same to Saddam, though US and UK support for his WMD programs
during the 1980s and 1990s could prove very embarrassing in court. Ditto
for Chirac and the Russians. Big mistake taking him alive. Footage of Rumsfeld
shaking hands with Saddam in 1983 and not mentioning WMD looks bad, though
networks can be trusted to show restraint despite the approaching 20th
anniversary (esp Fox).
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- Faking illness to avoid trial
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- Augusto Pinochet (Chile), Soeharto (Indonesia)
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- Comment: Pinochet is senile and, thanks to the Brits,
at little further legal risk. Soeharto has the worst human rights record
of all and would be easy to nab from Jakarta, though opposition from admirers
like Wolfowitz and friends in Canberra should be expected. Too much detail
about our support for his 1965 massacres has already leaked out. Has enough
knowledge and residual military support to buy immunity and a quiet suburban
death on his own terms.
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- On the run
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- Osama bin Laden (Saudi Arabia)
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- Comment: Still unclear how much money and arms we actually
gave him to fight the Sovs in Afghanistan. Now protected by Islamists in
the Pakistan military and assorted Taliban. Will be difficult to apprehend
without losing Musharraf in the process. Priority here is control of the
Islamic bomb.
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- Free
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- Jean-Claude "Baby Doc" Duvallier (Haiti--in
France), Jean-Bedel Bokassa (Central African Republic), Hector Gramajo
(fmr defence minister, Guatemala--in Guatemala)
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- Comment: Hopefully forgotten (we are trying).
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- New Friends (undemocratic)
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- Pervez Musharraf (Pakistan), Islam Karimov (Uzbekistan),
Saparmurat Niyazov (Turkmenistan), Teodoro Obiang (Equatorial Guinea),
Abdelaziz Bouteflika (Algeria)
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- Comment: A measure of our new commitment to spreading
democratic politics. Some have oil, one is Stalinist, all have corruption.
None have democracy. Like old friends in the Gulf, they have been advised
not to take GWB's freedom and democracy speeches seriously.
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- Given sanctuary by US
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- Jose Guillermo Garcia (fmr head of El Salvador armed
forces, 1980s--Florida), Cuban and Haitian exiles (Florida), South Vietnamese
army officers (California)
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- Comment: We now believe there are more terrorists per
square kilometre in Florida than any other place on earth--all with safe
haven. Most are from the abattoir states of Central America under Reagan.
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- It's a battle to keep them away from snooping journalists
when they slip their agency minders. Just as well GWB's dictum about countries
that provide sanctuary to terrorists doesn't apply to Miami.
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- Refusing to extradite
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- Emmanuel Constant (leader of paramilitary group FRAPH
in Haiti who murdered thousands in the 1990s--in NYC)
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- Comment: Avoid comparison with the Taliban's refusal
to extradite Osama after 9/11. Haiti is unlikely to bomb the East Coast.
Warren Anderson (chairman of Union Carbide, now Dow Chemical), responsible
for the 1984 Bhopal gas leak in India that killed 16,000 people--Long Island,
New York)
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- Comment: They are only Indians, after all. Even Delhi
is reluctant to compensate the victims and 120,000 survivors. Unlikely
to ever face charges of culpable homicide.
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- Unindicted
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- Ariel Sharon (Israel)
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- Comment: Long record of brutality, most notably in the
Sabra and Shatila refugee camps. Re-badged "man of peace" by
GWB in the Orwellian sense. European travel may become difficult.
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- Turkish leaders
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- Comment: No longer so well disposed after they failed
to help us out in Iraq. Army even refused Wolfowitz's order to defy the
government and back the invasion.
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- Remember not to call Turkey's attacks on its Kurdish
population "terrorism" because we supplied them with the means
to do it. As with Colombia, our money officially goes to the guys in the
white hats--or in this case--the white fezzes.
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- Scott Burchill lectures in international relations at
Deakin University. This article originally appeared in The Age.
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- -----Original Message-----
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- From: Bill Mahr
Sent: Saturday, 3 January 2004
To: orbitx@bigpond.com
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- Subject: hey buddy!!!
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- I don't like to hear someone tell me Im a murder. The
war was important, the removal of the tyrant dictator was necessary to
end his "MURDEROUS" rule. For example you remember when saddam
ordered his generals to gas an entire city of Kurds. That was murder of
a truly large civilian population, men, women, and BABIES!!! When you experience
real combat you learn very quickly the lines of non-combatant and combatant
are very unclear. The women that were "murdered" were scouts
spotting american targets, so that the enemy could fire on them. Its us
or them. Are you an american? If so do you want our boys to die, or to
protect themselves.
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- War is terrible, I agree with that, but when you are
faced with the probability of your own death you don't take chances with
approaching vehicles or people. The Iraqi leaders made the choices not
to follow the geneva convention laws, for instance, allowing it's military
personnel to dress in civilian clothing. This causes mass confusion as
to who the enemy is, so more innocent people are killed. If every one followed
the geneva convention laws as closely as we do we wouldn't have to have
as ugly events as these. Much of this so called murder is to be blamed
on the Iraq's decisions to not follow the rules of warfare. Did you know
that in world war II if you were captured fighting in civilian clothing
you were executed.
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- What is different about today?
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- Comment
- From Kevin Smith
- 1-4-4
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- To Bill Mahr,
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- Bill wrote:
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- War is terrible, I agree with that, but when you are
faced with the probability of your own death you don't take chances with
approaching vehicles or people. The Iraqi leaders made the choices not
to follow the geneva convention laws, for instance, allowing it's military
personnel to dress in civilian clothing. This causes mass confusion as
to who the enemy is, so more innocent people are killed. If every one followed
the geneva convention laws as closely as we do we wouldn't have to have
as ugly events as these. Much of this so called murder is to be blamed
on the Iraq's decisions to not follow the rules of warfare. Did you know
that in world war II if you were captured fighting in civilian clothing
you were executed.
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- What is different about today?
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- Kevin Smith writes:
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- With regards to following the Geneva Convention Bill,
I direct you to these articles on <http://www.rense.com/>Rense.com
website.
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- Here are 3 links detailing America's alleged adherence
to Geneva Convention law in the aftermath of WWII under Eisenhowers direction/exec
orders. Also another link regarding Churchills decision to hand over anti-communist
Russians back into Stalin's hands.
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- If you can still hold your ground against this evidence
then you are a media flunky toeing the company line. Poor sap !!!
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- I'd like to sling mud at you too as YOU are so adept
at and I think I could give you a run for your money but then in my mind
such engagments are a total waste of energy on someone who WILL not see
with the eyes given to them by the Creator. Notice I didn't make use of
the worn out and wasted term " GOD " as many who have come and
gone used this name in vain pursuits of money and power and use it to convince
the masses that THEY are actually the GOOD guys ??? FundaMENTAList right
wing Christians and Zionist Jews are ruining what would normally be a naturally
evolving human condition. Without THEIR meddlings, where might we be ???
Well I can tell you one thing for sure. We would have free energy devices
powering our electrical/heating needs and we would not have a dying planet
right this second from petrolium pollution(s).
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- There would be no war on terror because there would be
absolutely no need for it.
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- The thing that you and most people do not realize is
this: The Puppeteers that are orchestrating the whole show do not EXCLUDE
ANYONE from taking the wrap, as it were, for any screw up(s) on their part(s)(few
parts actually) That even includes anyone who is very close to them contactwise.
You know the saying that shit always flows downhill ??? Well it's a lie
. . . it actually flows uphill. That is why all of humanities worst are
at the top of the pile !!! You got a lot of reading homework to do before
you go around slingin mud at well read people who DON'T live in the USA
and get force fed a load of puff piece news items that have no fact(s)
to back them . . . at ALL !!!
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- 12:12
- Well actaully for you Bill it should be
- 11:11
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- PS - that's a numerical signal to WAKE UP !!!
- The rest of the (enlightened people) are at 12:12
- Bye Bill !!!
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