- Note - The following heated discussion has been burning
up the net for the past several days to a large list of journalists and
researchers, and I thought the dialogue is of interest. -ed
- John Kaminski said:
- Hi guys,
- I like this interpretation, though I don't think it's
quite that simple, in that Jewish infiltration of the British and American
power structures began at the time of Disraeli, and has accelerated since
through distinctly specific programs in social philosophy that have affected
banking, the hard sciences, medicine and media. We can debate this a long
time and the result would be who's wagging whom, with good arguments on
both sides. This debate needs to take place. I'd like it continue, and
I'll take the liberty of adding a few interesting names to the discussion.
- Best wishes, John K.
- On Fri, 16 Jan 2004, JB Campbell wrote: John - This is
an interesting summary of the roots of Zionist Palestine, as is the question
about who's doing the wagging. My version is similar but goes a little
farther. Zionist (Russian Jew) fanaticism to invade and occupy Palestine
and make the Law go forth from Zion predates the oil discoveries. This
weird dream would prove useful to the money power. The oil monopolists
early saw that an oversupply of the product was ruining their price structure.
Rockefeller constantly claimed "shortages" threatened his operations
in Ohio and Indiana as a way to keep prices up, when in fact Standard Oil
was floating on an ocean of deposits. This scam was wrecked when the Spindletop
wildcat blew in in East Texas. Oil prices went down! The last thing Rockefeller
(who was a wholly-owned subsidiary of Rothschild of Frankfurt, Paris and
London) wanted was for similar deposits to be found and produced in Russia
or China or the Middle East. How to prevent such a catastrophe? Or at the
very least, severely control any exploitation? Rockefeller/Rothschild chose
violence. John D. had employed violence, extortion and fraud in his control
of railroad shipping in Ohio and Erie region. This gave him a monopolistic
advantage over the smaller producers, many of whom were ruined. John D.'s
motto: "Competition is a sin." And he meant it. And so, a decision
was made to support the Bolsheviks as the most cost-effective means to
prevent the commercial exploitation of raw materials in Russia and all
of central Asia.
- Lenin and Trotsky were sent into Russia to seize the
Russian government from Kerensky. As the Red death squads began liquidating
the upper and emerging middle classes of Russia, the country naturally
ground to a halt. Wall Street pumped many millions of dollars to prop up
the cancerous Jewish dictatorship and so kept Russia from ever developing
her oil and minerals in a meaningful way. (Right up through the '80s, Russian
oil rigs were like scenes from a comedy, with dozens of inept workers trying
to do what a handful of American roughnecks normally and efficiently do.
Kind of an oilfield kibbutz.) The Jewish twins, Communism and Zionism,
developed side by side in Russia during the same period in the late 19th
Century. The Zionists had this pipe dream that if only they could emigrate
to Palestine and somehow seize control of it, they could rule the world
from there. But it seemed an impossible dream. Who would support such a
thing? Rockefeller and Rothschild did, for the same reasons they supported
the Communist Jews in Russia. They subsidized the Zionist Russian Jews
in Palestine, forcing the British Army to protect them after 1919 under
the terms of the League of Nations "mandate." The bizarre and
alien Russian Jewish outpost in Palestine was a destabilizing cancer which
would keep oil prices as high as they could possibly go. This open wound
would be formalized and made permanent by Rockefeller in 1948 when the
United Nations created the "nation" of Israel. The UN was created
by Rocky's Council on Foreign Relations, all paid for by Standard Oil.
The next year saw China turned over to the Rockefeller/Rothschild agents,
Mao Tse-tung and Chou En-lai. The latter had been educated at Rockefeller's
Nanking University. Thus began perhaps the greatest human slaughterhouse
in history, though which Communist party, Russian or Chinese, killed more
millions is debatable.
- But the Chinese upper and middle classes were wiped out
forever. The lower class was terrorized and brainwashed down to a zombie-like
state. There would be no oil production (or any production of anything)
until my old outfit, ARCO, went into China in 1979, before it was "legal"
to do so. Deals were cut and all of a sudden Chinese slaves started producing
all kinds of things. But total Communist control was and is maintained.
The CFR did not want Chiang Kai-shek running China and his betrayal and
forced deportation to Formosa turned out to be a wise move. Just think
what Chiang's China could have produced! His tiny, barren island (Taiwan)
rose to number four GNP in the entire world by the 1970s. Horrors! French
Indochina was a threat as well, oil-wise. The Communist agent, Ho Chi Minh,
was subsidized by Rockefeller and made his political reports to the Hanoi
office of Texaco. Ho was an OSS agent. In November, '43 Roosevelt (at Teheran)
chose him to be the next leader of the northern half of Indochina. The
OSS groomed him for leadership and in 1945 foisted him on the Vietnamese
people, who had never heard of him. Nguyen Ai Quoc (real name) had been
in Russia and France most of his life. He was sent back home in the '40s
to take over for Rothschild/Rockefeller. Bottom line: French kicked out,
two American puppets installed in north and south, big war, millions dead,
billions in war profits, no upper or middle class and NO OIL PRODUCTION.
Some people who know that the Rockefellers have always supported Communism
have never understood how Capitalists could do such a thing. It's good
- The story is the same for Eastern Europe, especially
Rumania (handed over to Stalin by Eisenhower), and Africa. Every Communist
party of every country has been supported by the US Department of State
and the CIA. General Anwar Eshki of the Saudi army told me in the early
'80s that every Arab country, including his own, is manipulated by the
Israelis. This is Israel's function, to set one Arab country against others,
causing suspicion and hatred - and volatile oil prices. It was reported
by Nord Davis in the '80s that one of Israel's first acts was to cut all
the oil pipelines under its control. Who wags whom? When you have rich
Jews (Rothschild) at the top and parasitic Jews (Israelis) at the bottom,
the inescapable answer is that it is a totally Jewish show. It's hard to
credit because it is never seen in this way. But the events of the 20th
Century - the Federal Reserve, WWI, the Bolshevik coup, WWII, the spread
of Communism, Israel's rise and now the war on Islam run by Zionist fanatics
who control the White House - cannot be denied or twisted. Dwight Eisenhower
said shortly after he left office, "The smartest thing I ever did
was to ask Bernard Baruch for advice on my career in 1939." It lead
to his skyrocket military and political careers. It also lead to the slaughter
of millions of innocent people, to the exact specifications of Rothschild/Rockefeller.
- On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, Jeffrey G. Strahl wrote:
- To: JB Campbell Cc: Edgar J. Steele; John Kaminski; Eric
Arnow; Brett Friedman; Brian Ezrin; davebunford; Donald Cassidy; email@example.com;
galen; Greg Rowe; Harmon Taylor; Hassan El-Najjar; henry makow; Ingrid
Rimland; Israel Shamir; Jackie Patru; Jalal Hasan; James Nolan Campbell;
Jim Kirwan; Jon Phalen; Karim Abdul-Latif; Leslie Oliver; LEVEYMG@aol.com;
Majiet Shaheed; Michael Lawrence Morton; Mirza, Uzma; nachoua; Norman Livergood;
Peter Meyer; Peter Myers; Qasim Khanzada; Rick Davis; Robert Moynihan;
Sam Hamod; Scoop Editor - Alastair Thompson; Siegfried Tischler; firstname.lastname@example.org;
Yallknowdatg@aol.com; Maisoon Rice; Javed S. Ahmad; David M.; BEGoodman@aol.com;
Mohamed Al-Darsani; email@example.com; firstname.lastname@example.org
- The cancerous Jewish dictatorship? Lenin, Stalin, Malenkov,
Kruschev, Brezhnev/Kosygin, Brezhnev, Andropov, Chernenko, Gorby: pick
out a single Jew here.
- This is beginning to sound like the pages of Mein Kampf.
I want OUT!
- On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, Edgar J. Steele wrote:
- Uhhhhh....well, Lenin, for one, given that lineup, though
I doubt he is the only jew listed. Even Lenin suggested that Russian jews,
especially those in the Communist Party hierarchy, change their names to
something more Russian sounding. The current issue of "The Truth at
Last" has some revealing commentary in this area, from which I paraphrase
some of the following: After the jewish overthrow of the Tsar, Lenin lifted
the restrictions on Russian jews, who then flooded into Moscow, seized
total control of the Communist Party and became commissars over most businesses.
Jews avoided heading up any of the communist state parties, but always
comprised a significant portion of the membership and occupied virtually
all the middle and upper positions. Even in the US, jews made up over half
the Communist Party, but not one ever served as Chairman. Only after Russia
defeated Germany did the jews feel powerful enough to assume leadership
roles under their own names, which promptly happened in most eastern-bloc
countries. Just before he died, Kruschev wrote his memoirs ("Kruschev
Remembers") and recounted how he was part of Stalin's entourage in
the 1920s. Some 30 years later, he seized power himself. He was in charge
of the 1931/32 "famine" in the Ukraine which killed 7 million.
Only when Kruschev's reign ended did the jews begin to leave Russia. Kruschev
noted that there was something that held Stalin back from limiting jewish
power. The latest dictatorship to come under total jewish control is America,
of course. Note that its titular head is not jewish...yet. Mr. Strahl sounds
a familiar cry, one that you hear Michael Savage (nee Weiner) invoke daily
against those with whom he disagrees. Strahl labels us Nazis for even daring
to have this discussion: ("This is beginning to sound like the pages
of Mein Kampf. I want OUT!"). Again, we see a very typical jewish
response to those who dare to mention the J-Word, designed to frighten
us into silence and shift the balance of power his way. (Yawn) The door
is over there, Jeff... I offer Exhibit B, ladies and gentlemen. -ed steele
- On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, Jeffrey G. Strahl wrote:
- To: Edgar J. Steele
- The notion that "jews overthrew the czar" flies
in the face of historical fact. It was the workers of Petrograd and other
cities, and the mutinous soldiers and sailors, who did that, and established
Soviets (means "councils" in Russian) and factory committies,
organs of direct democracy which were the organizational structure of many
a rebellion since the Paris Commune for implementing real socialism (ie
control by *society* of productive resources). These were denatured by
the Bolshevik gov't once it took over, ending any attempt at socialism,
though not without fierce resistance that lasted several years (eg the
Makhnovists in Ukraine, the Kronstadt Rebellion in March '21). The actors
in those events were largely non-Jewish, but of course that doesn't fit
into paranoid conspiracy fantasies which pass as history in this excuse
of a "debate". See Maurice Brinton, The Bolsheviks and Workers
Control, it's on-line, comes up easily on a Google search.
- On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, Edgar J. Steele wrote:
- With this, I have reached the point whereafter responding
to Mr. Strahl's gross misstatements, deception and ad hominem attacks is
something I will consider beneath myself. This exchange is illustrative
of why I find it so pointless to engage in internet forums, all of which
are bristling with jews like him, armed with the same lies and employing
the same attack mode, often with the same ADL computer database files open
to their elbows (because the same points and styles, even the selfsame
phrases, keep repeating, that's how I know).
- Specifically, to respond to Strahl's intentional lie
concerning the overthrow of the Tsar, Robert Wilton's "The Last Days
of the Romanovs," first published in 1920, details their captivity
and murder by jews. The walls were scrawled with blood dripping Hebrew
words which detailed their deaths. So much for "it wasn't jews."
- And, there is a jew beneath every Russian rock, it seems.
In his book, "Dan, a Man Without Youth," Dan Roman, a Romanian
escapee, recounts the common knowledge in the Romanian prisons where he
was brutalized that Nikita Kruschev (a distinctly Ukrainian sounding name)
was born Solomon Perlmutter. Kruschev was the short bald dictator with
the large rubbery lips who, while pounding his shoe on the podium at the
UN, shouted "we will bury you." This explains why the disctinctly
non-Ukrainian looking "Kruschev" was so willing to oversee the
death of millions of his so-called "countrymen."
- Lie upon lie upon lie upon misdirection, followed by
personal attacks. This is why it is so important to study the holocaust
closely, so as to see the pattern of jewish deception and gross exagerration.
From that, one can extrapolate to all that so many jews, such as this Strahl
fellow, have to say. This is how they have hijacked America.
- And, regarding the zionist/jew distinction - it's a distinction
without a difference, I say, because all jews provide cover to their fellow
zionists and thereby are to be condemned alongside them. Only a very few,
such as Israel Shamir, actively work against the zionist agenda and thereby
distinguish themselves, earning from me and my kind a "get out of
jail free" card for use when the time comes.
- I commend the following articles I have written as particularly
relevant to this general theme:
- In Defense of Antisemitism http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/antisemite.htm
It Wasn't Arabs http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/arabs.htm Tell
a Joke, Go to Jail http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/rant.htm Hate
Speech: Anything Jews Hate to Hear http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/hate.htm
- Strike 3, Mr. Strahl. You're out.
- -ed steele
- On Sat, 17 Jan 2004, Jeffrey G. Strahl wrote:
- To: Edgar J. Steele
- Thanks for hiding nothing, Ed. Now i know i face jail
simply for having a "Jewish background" (whatever the f*ck that
means) if anyone like you ever even approaches a position of influence.
- My lie re: the overthrow of the Czar? You talk about
the killing, which was in July 1918, I talk of the March 1917 revolution.
Guess you can't tell the difference. Nikita a Jew? ROTFL.
- Israel Shamir
- email@example.com said:
- Hi, friends
- This is an interesting discussion! We should be able
to discuss it without fear, even if our ideas coincide with those of the
famous vegetarian and painter from Vienna. I have to disagree with many
of you on many small points - Khruschov (good or bad) was not a Jew, neither
was Kerensky. Anyway, they were not more Jews than our friend Edgar Steele
(nee Sucherbrucker :-)
- But I also disagree with the Jewish trend to claim Anne
Frank for their defence - and whether her diaries are real or 'edited',
she was an innocent girl; as innocent as my Palestinian neighbour girl
murdered by Jews two days ago.
- 'The Jews' - distinct from 'Jews' - are like the Catholic
Church, or Standard Oil, or the UK - or all of it together. Unusual body;
nothing good about it. There can be good separate Jews, but 'the Jews'
- always bad, even when doing good.
- In short, yes, the dog is being wagged, but it is not
the tail (Israel) but the Mind (the US Jews). Actually all pre-19th century
references to Jewish power are rather doubtful; and the rise of the Jews
in the US begins at the earnest in 1968. But today - it is the reality.
WASPs, money and all, lost it; as much as the Turkic nobility of Khazaria
lost it to the immigrant Jews.
- So, the Americans were subdued. What else is new?
- Israel Shamir
- From Edgar J. Steele
- Date: Wed, 21 Jan 2004
- I know that I swore I was through with this thread, but
a very well-read friend sent over the following just now:
- "Here's another one the Jews don't want talked about.
In the Georgian language "shvili" means son of, or son, as in
Johnson. "Djuga" means Jew. Therefore Djugashvili means Jewison.
So Joe Stalin's real name, before he changed it, was Joe Jewison. It
gets better, his name was Joseph David Djugashvili, a typical Jewish name.
During his revolutionary days he changed his name to "Kochba",
the leader of the Jews during one of the anti-Roman uprisings of the Jews.
Russians don't change their names. Georgians don't change their names.
Jews change their names. Reporting these facts probably is a hate crime
because Jews hate to hear about it."
- Also, since I'm here already, to those who didn't know
Mr. Shamir was joking (I didn't), "Sucherbrucker" has nothing
to do with the "Steele" surname. For what it's worth, Steele
originated in the highlands between Scotland and England.
- FromTom Demeter
- Counter Point To Zionism And Jews
- May I present a counter point to the argument between
Zionism and Jews.
- Mr. John Kaminski and J.B. Campbell tell the history
of Zionism, which goes back to the time of Christ. John and J.B. are describing
what a Jew called the "mystery of iniquity" two thousand years
ago. We know this Jew as Apostle Paul.
- The conflict between Zionism and the Jews is very complex,
because it is a religious issue. This issue involves two God's, and all
religions of the world, Zionist, Jews, Christians and Gentiles, and the
un-seen world, what some call angels.
- Paul, who wrote most of the New Testament compares the
"mystery of iniquity" to the "Mystery of God." Without
this knowledge of both mysteries no true and permanent solution to this
conflict can be found.
- This is what we learn from Paul. After the crucifixion
of Jesus, God gave Israel 40 years to repent. They did not, so in 70 AD
God brought in the Romans and destroyed the Temple and the nation of Israel.
God left the Temple, the Jews and Judaism, and also the Christians. God
hid again as before the flood, behind the Anti-god. This is researched
and documented by one of the most eminent theologians of our time Dr. Ernest
L. Martin. You can read his two books "Secrets of Golgotha" and
"The Temples That Jerusalem Forgot" www.askelm.com
- The vacuum God left was filled by the Anti-god, who took
over both religions, fulfilling many of the prophecies of the New and Old
Testaments. This created the conditions religiously, legally and all other
ways as it was before the flood. Judaism is the religion of the Pharisees.
Christianity is the religion not of Jesus and the twelve Apostles, including
Peter or Paul, but of Simon the Sorcerer of Acts 8. Simon took on the name
Peter, and founded Gnosticism. Gnosticism went through a series of changes
and names and became the Catholic church. Dr. Martin's book "The People
History Forgot" gives a good outline of this history.
- This is why when you examine the basic, fundamental doctrines
of Christianity and Judaism, you will find that they both rest on the "doctrines
of the Pharisees." This is a secret or "mystery," which
humanity was not allowed to discover, until the very End of the World Mat.7:14;
Rev.10:7. It is revealed now Mat.10:26, indicating that we are at the End
of the Word Mat.24:3.
- This is the foundational cause of the conflict between
Zionism using the Cabala and the Jews who believe the Torah. The conflict
is spilling over to all other religions and peoples, to reveal to them
that really they are all have the same doctrines and aims.
- The discovery that the world and all its religions are
under the Anti-god, not the Creator, will make it easy for the Anti-god
to unite the whole world, under him solving this conflict. This was pre-ordained
before creation. This is why Jesus was slain before the foundation the
earth was made Rev.13:8. Finally Jews, Christians and the Gentiles will
be united under ONE GOD, to worship in ONE RELIGION, bringing a temporary
- The problem is that God the Creator also is revealing
His "Mystery," originally given to Apostle Paul Eph.3:3 to a
few Mat.7:14; Dan.12:10, which will cause even more conflicts, until the
Anti-god will send the Anti-christ and his False Prophet. The ultimate
and final conflict will be between the "few" followers of the
Creator and the "many" of the Anti-god.
- Since the whole world (Christianity, Judaism and all
the Gentile's religions) are "deceived" Rev.12:9 and worship
the Anti-god, to maintain God's system of "good and evil," God
sent and is sending His "Two Witnesses" Rev.11:3 to "restore"
the truth Mat.17:11 His "Mystery," first given to Apostle Paul
- These Witnesses actually have four Prophets, complicating
- The Creator's system is based on "sacrifice,"
the Anti-god's system is based on "license" or no sacrifice.
God requires His followers to overcome evil with Good, by being a "living
sacrifice" Gal.2:20. The Anti-god's
- system gives "license to sacrifice" its enemies,
- This will cause the persecution and DEATH of the Creator's
- The Anti-god must persecute God's followers, and even
to kill them, that these could perfect "God's sacrificial" love
in them Jn.15:13, to qualify for eternal life.
- When the majority of God's followers will be killed,
(God will save those who "come out" of this system Rev.18:4)
carnal or physical humanities' short millennium will come. This will be
the total reign of the Anti-god. After this period the Bible tells us that
God will instruct the Anti-god, who is God's obedient servant, as the book
of Job tells us, to perform its created function; to "kill and destroy"
Jn.10:10 all the Creator's "enemies" Lk.19:27; James 4:4, or
all those who serve the Anti-god. This will bring the End of the World
as in the days of Noah Mat.24:37.
- Knowing that the End of the World is coming, as it was
in Noah's day Mat.24:37, we must find the First Witness of God's Two Witnesses,
who has the power to "seal us" for God's protection, to be in
the resurrection without dying ICor.15:52. God prepared a "Place of
Safety" Rev.12:6 for those who believe Him, to live through the coming
- Tom Demeter