- From: Judy Moriarty
To: Shiu Hung@pacbell.net ; skylax@comcast.net Cc: (list) Sent:
Saturday, January 17, 2004 3:25 AM
Subject: Discussion of Kaminski on WBAI board
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- In a message dated 1/16/2004 9:11:10 PM Eastern Standard
Time, shiuhung@pacbell.net writes:
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- Based on what i have read thus far with your work, especially
the writings in your American Autopsy Report book, i thought i understood
that you are not anti-jewish but rather anti-zionist as i assume most of
us here knows the difference. ......I think it is crucial that we use
our words carefully and failure to do so would only lead us to unnecessary
attack by the "knee-jerks" of the Pacifica/left milieu. >>
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- I have voiced similar feelings to John. I wish he would
distinguish between Jews and Zionists. Jeff Rense goes out of his way
to state that there are many Jews who are appalled by the actions of Israel
and the Zionist takeover. (and it is true)
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- These Jewish people, though perhaps too few in number,
are trying, as best they can, to educate the populace.
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- One of the shows I listen to on WBAI is Taking Aim with
Ralph Schoenman and Mya Shone........and I wept when I read The Hidden
History of Zionism.
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- In deference to John...........It is difficult to stay
true to yourself and to remain afloat in these sickening times. I can
appreciate John's integrity but I know it is possible to reach a lot more
people.
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- John is a man with a great deal to say and the courage
to say it. Unfortunately, he is not being heard. (either by design or
because much of the sheeple have been so brainwashed)
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- Peace, Judy
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- "Shiu M. Hung" wrote:
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- Thank you, Jude, for expressing 'fairness' and 'caution',
"fairness" as in not paint a broad brush when we express our
opposition towards Zionism because, as you had also indicated, not the
entire Jewish population are Zionist; "fairness" as in the willingness
to allow yourself to play fair on this issue, as I know there are just
as many "knee-jerked' responses from anti-zionists people as there
are coming from the traditional left/Pacifica Radio milieu. I, too, wish
John Kaminski would try a bit harder to distinguish the differences because
that is a sure way to do a disservice to the 9/11 movement, by painting
broad brushes towards the Jewish community when we are talking about Zionist/Mossad
connection to 9/11. While there will continue to be supporters for John's
work because we agree with his analysis but there are those out there whom
are not so patient and forgiving, and they are ready to attack at any minute
anytime the 'Jewish" issue is raised.
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- Shiu
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- From John Kaminski
To Shiu M. Hung
Subject: Re: Discussion of Kaminski on WBAI board
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- I think the point you are missing is that 90 percent
of Jews are Zionists, rabid and unquestioning supporters of the horrific,
racist behavior of Israel. Especially note this: those Jews who object
to grouping Jews and Zionists are most often Zionists at the same percentage
of the Jewish population. The Neturei Kartas and Jews Against Zionism don't
object to my terminology, but Zionists posing as unbiased human beings,
many of whom are on the Pacifica board, definitely do, because I am trying
to wreck their scam. I think you also fail to consider many Jews who might
be critical of Israel are doing so out of some kind of political correctness,
and when push comes to shove you will find they are lying about their stances.
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- Pacifica has become a Zionist news outlet, and that's
the same as calling them Jewish, I'm sure you will agree.
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- From: stzzb To: (list) Subject: Discussion of Kaminski
on WBAI board
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- COMMENT: I don't speak for Mr. Kaminski, but I'd like
to add my 2 cents to this. I know what I'm talking about.
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- Sir, you say this:
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- COMMENT: John, I would like to agree just so we can shelf
this discussion, but where is the documentation to show that 90% of Jews
are Zionist?
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- RESPONSE: I posted earlier documentation that Jews overwhelmingly
support the Jewish state. The issue is not necessarily if Jews are "Zionist,"
or not. That is NOT the sole criteria for Jewish support of Israel. Far
from it. This issue is not merely the political platform of Zionism. It
is trans-world Jewish allegiance to an ideology of victimization, and ideology
of rage about this, and the notion that "Israel" (not necessarily
"Zionism") is there to defend world Jewry from "anti-Semitism."
Technical Zionist dogma you can toss in the garbage can. That's not the
sustaining issue for most American Jews (although there are many who swallow
this stuff).
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- If you go to this link:
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- http://www.thejewishweek.com/news/newscontent.php3?artid=5351
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- you will find this article:
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- Results of Poll Sponsored by Israel Policy Forum, the
Jewish Week, and the Wilstein Institute of Jewish Policy Studies Studies,
Jewish Week, November 20, 2001
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- Here you'll find that a scientific poll (by Jewish organizations)
of Jewish Americans found that "the most important issue or problem
facing the [obviously extremely ethnocentric] Jewish community in the United
States today" to be:
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- 1) Anti-Semitism [23%] 2) Peace and Security for Israel
3) Terrorism [13%] 4) Intermarriage [i.e., marrying non-Jews - 12%] 5)
U.S.-Israeli relations [8%].
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- Public education was 8th, poverty and hunger 9th, and
the environment 10th [all with 1%].
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- And here's your 90% figure:
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- 89% of respondents were "strongly favorable"
or "somewhat favorable" to Israel. Bear in mind, another 5% of
Jewish respondents ventured no opinion and another 1% didn't respond.
And here's the crucial essence: Merely 3% were "somewhat unsupportive"
and 2% "strong unsupportive" of Israel.
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- So this 89% figure is out of a possible 95% of the people
who answered the poll. So the actual figure of Jewish American "support"
for Israel may be considerably higher.
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- 59% of Jewish respondents were even "strongly favorable"
or "somewhat favorable" to Ariel Sharon. Think about that. That's
close to 2 out of 3.
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- Again, the issue isn't necessarily "Zionism."
The issue is "Jews." Jews can pour money at the JEWISH state
and parade in the streets for it and not care a whit for explicitly Zionist
dogma.
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- YOUR COMMENT: By the way, just to let you know that my
position on this issue is not passive, i literally walked away from a $12,000
bathroom remodeling job a few years ago when i ended up debating with a
Zionist, and i just couldn't stand her position concerning the occupation,
and i really needed the work.
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- RESPONSE: Kudos to you. If more people acted that way,
there could be a noticeable impact.
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- YOUR COMMENT": I do know that there are factions
amoungst the anti-Zionist movement within the Jewish community, vis-a-vis
"one-State" verses "two-State" solution but i can readily
agree with you that those of Jewish descent do so because of "PC".
According to your analysis, would it be too much of a stretch to say most
"White" Americans are bigots, vis-a-vis the Ku Klux Klan tendencies?
I doubt it, so i will also doubt what you are inferring about "most
Jewish are Zionist". Shiu
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- RESPONSE: You are comparing apples and oranges. The numbers
of Americans who "somewhat support" or "strongly support"
the KKK is nil. You know that. And the KKK is toxified and ostracized EVERYWHERE
in mainstream American culture. Conversely, Zionism (or, more correctly,
Jewish alliegiance to racist Israel) is a backbone of modern America, from
the government to the media, from mass culture on out.
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- Please think about this. And its implications to us all.
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- And please consider what your form of self-censorship
about the explicitly "Jewish" dimension of "Zionism"
does in protecting Jewish/Israeli brutality and racism from public discourse.
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- It's ingenious. A moral guy like you shuts up when he
reaches the "J" word, which is what Israel is ENTIRELY about.
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- From: Shiu M. Hung Subject: Discussion of Kaminski on
WBAI board Date: Mon, 19 Jan 2004
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- Thank you so very much for sharing your knowledge on
this subject. I will look into the information you shared.
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- I hope you understand that I am coming from a "clean
space" on this issue and I share the same degree of frustration as
you and John concerning the US Left's reaction to sensitive issue such
as this. By the way, I am the keeper of the leftgatekeepers.com website
so please keep it in mind if you wish to submit articles concerning issue
of 9/11 left media censorship, and I suppose at this point the Zionist
connection to 9/11 needs to be exposed as well. Other than Ralph Shoenman
and Mya Shoan of Taking Aims, I don't think the Zionist angle has much
exposure.
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- I stand corrected.
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- I just wish there was a 'saner' way of communicating
our ideas and thoughts to others on the left about this issue without having
to resort to 'self-censorship' or 'self doubt'.
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- Shiu
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