- Host: Well joining us again is Wayne Madsen. Wayne,
welcome
again to the Sunday Monitor.
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- Madsen: Hi, good to be with you.
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- Host: Wayne, for people who haven't listened to the show
regularly, appears fairly frequently on this show and predominantly because
he has such shocking information in many cases, which has often turned
out to be quite accurate and one of those stories that you're working on
right now, Wayne, and I guess we should give people a thumbnail sketch
of what the story is in case they weren't listening last week. Can you
just give us a quick rundown of how it all started and what you're looking
at?
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- Madsen: Well, there was information floating around
various,
uhm, what I would have to say are informed circles in Houston and elsewhere
that the money that was used to pay for technicians and programmers to
rig this election came through a circuitous route that's been long
connected
to Bush family activities going back to the days of BCCI, Iran-Contra and
other nefarious exploits and that this circuitous network and this trage
of money that's been used in the past, a trage of money that's been
associated
with the Saudis, was used once again to pay people to come up with the
software, especially that which was used on touchscreen voting machines,
to fix this election... basically to cause votes to switch from one
candidate
to another, not for a large margin but just enough votes to, for the
Republican
candidates to squeek by. And certainly one of the things I have discovered
within the last week that the 2004 election was not the only election where
this rigged software was used. It was used as early as the 2 000 election,
which Al Gore as we know lost by a very narrow margin.
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- Host: Now, these are obviously very serious allegations,
what kind of proof do you have? Last week you mentioned the 29 million
dollar check. What's happened with that? What do you know about it?
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- Madsen: Yeah, it turns out that the 29 million dollar
check, although a valuable clue, was a fake, but it looks like the people
who released the check did so as a way to say hey look here, don't look
at the check, look who's behind it, look around it, follow the money that
these people have been involved with passing through various offshore
entities
in the past...
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- Host: So you think it was a clue to help you rather than
to hinder you?
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- Madsen: I believe the intention might have been to hinder
because the check obviously represents a scam involving Nigerian scammers
but also involves individuals who apparently who have been tied and some
documents that I've received from the U.S. district court here in
Washington,
D.C., uh, the person who obviously was involved in this bogus check has
had an absolute verified past history with the CIA because the CIA is
claiming
that two documents he requested per a Freedom of Information Act request
cannot be released because of national security grounds.
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- Host: So if all this stuff is indeed true that there
was software that's being used to rig the election, how are we ever going
to get this information out and do you see any prospect of this being
accepted
as actually having happened at some point? I mean it sounds at this stage
and, you know me so you know I'm not accusing you of anything...
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- Madsen: Right...
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- Host: ...but people on the right and people who want
to move on, so called, from democracy in a sense, that the vote didn't
matter anymore and we should be over it, will say that this sounds like
a conspiracy theory and that you don't have any proof. Where do you take
this from here and how do you answer those allegations?
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- Madsen: Well, I'm going to get this article out, I've
got help from researchers here in Washington, on the net, on the web,
people,
especially with the Democratic Underground have been very good in helping
to follow leads and get clues... I'm going to try to get this article sent
out tonight, probably won't get posted until the morning... Look, as far
as proof, I've got a notarized affidavit from one of the programmers that
was involved in rigging the software... It took place... the genesis for
this was not this year, last year, it was in 1999 in Florida involving
a U.S. government contracter with contracts with NASA. The individual in
question has come forward... and I think people will hear more about what
he has to say in the coming week because there's going to be a forum
sponsored
Michigan congressman John Conyers on Wednesday and I think a lot of people
will hear what the background for this story is if they watch
C-SPAN.
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- Host: Now, you mentioned Democratic Underground and I
wanted to just give people a quick link, something that I saw on there
that was very interesting, if you go to safevoting.org you can download
a video clip of actually something that took place in Texas, I believe,
and it was a Diebold software meeting where they were trying to certify
a machine and they are on tape saying it's got problems and it doesn't
count and the tally doesn't match the vote and we'll certify it anyway
because we've done it in the past so it's a very interesting video clip.
It's safevoting.org. Wayne, you mentioned a signed affidavit, what
motivates
a person like that to publically express these things? Is it sour grapes
at not being paid or what happened?
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- Madsen: No, it wasn't sour grapes, the person obviously
was under the impression when he was first asked to create a program that
it was going to be used to prevent fraud using touchscreen machines but
he didn't realize it had an entirely opposite purpose. It's not that the
person has been trying to keep this secret. I have to blame the news media.
The individual... this results from a huge whistleblower case in Florida
involving a Florida... a contracter for the Florida Department of
Transportation...
we... one of the things that will be coming out in the article is we have
information that pretty much proves that the chief investigator for the
Florida Department of Transportation that was looking into this company,
this contractor and its involvement in creating vote rigging software,
they say he committed suicide back on July 1st, 2003, last year, but we
have evidence to show that it was not suicide, that likely he was murdered
because he was going places where a lot of people were getting
nervous.
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- Host: Well, that partially answers my next question,
which was going to be, something like this would have to involve a serious
number of people keeping quiet and how do you keep a large number of people
quiet when this kind of potential vote rigging is going on and I guess
you already partly answered that. Do you have any more thoughts on the
number of people who would have to be involved in this to make it work
and making sure that they all stay quiet?
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- Madsen: Yeah, of course it's like every other past
scandal,
like Iran-Contra, and the BCCI scandal... you know, small groups of people
know so much about their particular area, you know, the part they play,
uh, very few people have the big picture and that's one of the things
that's
been really difficult in following this story with bogus checks and false
leads and what one former Department of Justice prosecutor told me is
typical
of organized criminal syndicates and covert activities, that these feints,
as he called them, are put up, they run parallel to the actual movement
of money and it's used to, of course, throw government investigators off
the track and that's why this stuff is done using these offshore accounts
and these people who are, you know, con men, you know the CIA has used
in the past many con men and some people would suggest that the current
director of the CIA is one of them.
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- Host: Well, yeah, well, I don't even know what to say
about that. I was going to ask you something about the locking down of
precincts. In the first article you wrote... our previous guest, actually
the first guest we had was talking about the media being kept out of
various
places where they were doing counts, and that that was a serious red flag
for him... you wrote about locking down of precincts where votes were being
tallied, how many of those can be verified, how many precincts were locked
down?
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- Madsen: Well, apparently there was the one report out
of Warren County, Ohio but now there's reports from around the country
that similar things took place, I believe New Mexico, North Carolina,
Florida,
places in Texas and southern California similar things happened.
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- Host: Do you have any suggested places where people could
look where they could find out where that happened?
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- Second Host: Actually, I just found out, Wayne, that
in Harris County, at the big tabulation place on the evening of the
election,
there was a power outage. It was at Reliant Center and it was Reliant
Company's
electricity that went out for several hours and people were told to go
home.
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- Host: Harris County is here in Texas for those listening
on the web and I know some do so that's a local interest story for us.
Do you have any suggested places where people can get more information
on those things because I've had some questions about that, you know, the
one case in Ohio is fairly well known but you're saying it was happening
elsewhere as well...
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- Madsen: I think anybody who would look at Riverside
County,
California may find some irregularites there... why Californi? Well
everybody
know that was going to go for John Kerry but we saw an increase in Bush's
vote in California, which is rather surprising compared to what he got
in the 2000 election. And there's some thought that in Texas and California
, very populous states of course, that the votes were padded to give Bush
this some three and a half million vote, popular vote margin, which would
be obviously part of the scam to make it look like he had a runaway victory
but it looks very apparent that because of the problems with the software
now we have evidence that this vote switching program that was designed
to suppress Democratic vote... we have the name of the then Speaker of
the House of the Flordia House of Representatives that he personally
requested
that this work be done because he was a chief lobbyist and general counsel
for the firm that was a NASA contractor in the state of Florida, the
contractor
that performed the development of the software, current Republican
Congressman
Tom Feeney. So, this isn't a case of having dead people vote in Chicago
any longer, this was a huge criminal enterprise, it affected a number of
elections, it affected a number of candidates who won the election but
the results showed that they lost... everyone from Gray Davis in California
to Max Cleland in Georgia, possibly Janet Reno in her unsuccessful bid
to become the Democratic candidate for Governor of Florida. The evidence
is there and I think if we had an FBI we could rely on this is a criminal
investigation having to do with money laundering, having to do with
influence
peddling, with bribery and it's no longer just vote fraud, this is a
criminal
investigation and should be treated as one.
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- Second Host: Wayne, looking back at some of the scandals
that we've been through in the last few years, like Enron, Abu Ghraib and
so on, there's a tendency the moment the light shines, for all the mice
to run away and leave one in the middle holding the bag, like Abu Ghraib,
you know, it was supposedly, you know, half a dozen bad apples... what's
to prevent that from happening here, where some low person or middle person
gets stuck holding the bag?
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- Madsen: Well, I mean, I'm confident that the people that
we know of in Florida who have already gone on record as whistleblowers,
unfortunately one person who was on to this died last year under some very
mysterious circumstances... my hope is that, you know, this will stick
where it needs to stick and obviously what happened in Florida with the
development of the software was fully known to Jeb Bush, was fully know
to the Speaker of the House at the time, Tom Feeney, who, at the same time
he was Speaker of the House of Representatives in Florida, was a registered
lobbyist for this company, Yang Enterprises in Oveido, Florida, which has
a lot of contracts with the Kennedy Space Center... interestingly enough,
Feeney's wife is an engineer at the Kennedy Space Center... the money that
I talked about with Five Star Trust, apparently from all indications they
may have used NASA contract vehicles to get the money to the software
developers
to create the software program and, of course, Five Star was associated
with Houston and we know that the Johnson Space Center has contractors
there, and the name Sean OKeefe, the NASA administrator has come up very
prominent in this scandal as well.
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- Host: Well, on that note, Wayne, I'm going to have to
leave it there but thanks again for joining us . . .
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- Wayne Madsen is a Washington, DC-based investigative
journalist and syndicated columnist. He is the author of "Jaded Tasks:
Big Oil, Black Ops & Brass Plates."
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