- The date of July 16, 1969 was the day
of the launch of Apollo 11 and the initial kick-off for the first landing
of the human race on our neighbor, the moon. The global importance of this
major historic event was very evident at the Kennedy Space Center, Florida.
It was Moon Shot Day!
- Many famous people from all over the
world gathered in the VIP launch viewing area near the Apollo LCC (Launch
Control Center). The security was at its highest level with VIP guests
present from every nation on earth. One guest was in attendance whom I
had supported during his political career, Senator Barry M. Goldwater of
Arizona. He had been the Republican Presidential candidate in 1964 running
against President Lyndon B. Johnson. He had lost by a wide margin, but,
we in Florida had delivered him a victory in Brevard County, Florida and
the Space Port area and pride in ourselves regarding that minor accomplishment.
In 1968, Goldwater won back his Senatorial seat in Arizona.
- Senator Barry M. Goldwater was a former
Major General in the United States Army Air Corp wanting to be a fighter
pilot of a P-47 Thunderbolt and/or a P-51 Mustang aircraft, but was assigned
to deliver various aircraft to combat areas. He had flown an estimated
160 plus other planes during his WW II and civilian years. I was also informed
that he had been checked-out in an SR-71 Blackbird. That was VERY impressive
to learn. Being a registered Democrat supporting a Republican candidate
in Florida did not gain me any favor through my lifelong political party
in Florida. I constantly lived with insults and jokes which supplemented
my involvement in UFO research. McClelland has always been a maverick.
- During the long countdown of the Saturn
V Apollo 11 launch vehicle, I took a breakfast break from the LCC and walked
to the nearby VIP guest viewing site in hopes of meeting Senator Goldwater.
As I scanned the numerous people gathered, I asked one of our security
guards if he was aware of the location of Goldwater? He pointed his finger
to an open field nearby saying "Do you see that guy over there setting
up his camera tripod, Mac? That's Senator Goldwater".
- I had my camera around my neck in hopes
of having a photo opportunity with the Senator. I strolled across the crab
grass turf as he was setting up his personal camera. I was surprised he
was alone except for a half dozen other guests that were nearby also setting
up their cameras. I introduced myself and he responded with a polite greeting.
He asked if I was a guest in the VIP area. I chuckled a bit and said, no
sir, I am not yet a VIP. He smiled, and said, yes, I know how you feel.
I had the same experience in the past We talked about his earlier effort
to gain the Presidency and I told him about my personal efforts in Brevard
County. He thanked me saying at least he had won here in the Cape area.
- I seriously pondered my next question
concerning UFOs and finally asked him if he would discuss the subject with
me? I was surprised he had no Secret Service Agents or NASA Public Affairs
personnel hovering around him. I explained my position at KSC and my being
the NICAP Unit-3 Director for Major Donald E. Keyhoe at KSC. He had met
Keyhoe in DC years before. He approved our discussion on the UFO subject
and we began our exchange of information. I began by saying it was obvious
he had a deep abiding interest in UFOs and possible visits of alien races
to earth. He said, "That is accepted fact in Washington and especially
at the Pentagon, young man."
- I had some understanding of his alleged
statements regarding UFOs in the past and brought up the popular story
of his effort to gain entry into a special storage area at Wright-Patterson
AFB that purportedly had alien artifacts in it. He said, "Yes, that's
the main event concerning me and UFOs. I was under the impression that
a US Senator with a past as a Major General in the US Army Air Corp and
a member of the US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence for many years
would carry some weight in my allowances to enter such an area of military
secrecy. I was rudely awakened to reality very swiftly when I was denied
passage. It had me angry enough to discuss it with a personal friend of
mine in the military and inquired why my position in the US Senate had
no such allowance?
- My friend, General Curtis LeMay, Chairman
of the Military Joint Chiefs of Staff at the Pentagon VERY angrily told
me that I had no need to know. He gave me a lot of HELL about my activities
at Wright-Patterson. He threatened to end our friendship for life! My God,
Mac, that surprised the hell out of me." LeMay added, "you stay
clear of our mutual friend, "Butch", too. (meaning General William
"Butch" Blanchard) his having been at Roswell (later Walker)
Army Air base and the 509Th., will not gain you any favor for knowledge
of that Roswell crash claim."
- Goldwater said, "Mac, Butch Blanchard
was also a very valued friend of mine since WWII. He was the person who
announced that a disc had crashed near Roswell in 1947. This cussing out
did awaken me to one fact, that the UFO situation is the highest level
of national secrecy. Much higher than the H-Bomb was and more than anything
else that is known within the Pentagon, FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA, etc. That is,
nothing is higher security than aliens being here on this planet. Then
I realized Curtis was correct. And I never again approached him on the
subject. That seemed to prove to me that UFOs were a fact, and do exist.
But, are they all aliens? I highly suspect a majority are! Hell, they are
no doubt far ahead of our level of intelligence.
- The United States Air Force knows the
truth, but will they ever reveal it to this nation?" I quickly said,
"Yes, Senator, some UFOs sighted I have learned through the ONI are
alien". His eyes brightened up and showed surprise saying, "Mac
how would you know that as a fact and I was denied the truth?" I said
" Senator, I was here, at KSC, and had also been at Cape Canaveral
since the start of our national space program. With all due respect for
your great accomplishments, sir, you were not. I've heard and seen things
that without any doubt, proved to me that UFO's and star races exist."
- I said, "Congress is not made aware
of secrets of this caliber. The Pentagon controls such disclosures".
He stared at me, then said: "Yes, I get your point. You were and are
on the cutting edge of Technology Mac. Hell, you have seen events I can
only dream about". I replied, "Yes, sir, more than you know!"
- I then tested the Senator with another
question. I asked him if he was at that time aware of the fact that several
former German Scientists were assigned to Wright Field? He said, "No,
Mac, I was not". Then, one of the nearby launch viewers came close
to our location and I stopped the discussion. The man wanted to say hello
and shake the hand of Senator Goldwater. Following his departure, I continued,
saying, "Those Germans were at Wright since post-WWII and assigned
to reverse engineer certain retrieved hardware that was suspected to be
of alien origin. They accomplished that assignment of the object that crashed
in Kecksburg, Pennsylvania. It was taken to Wright Field. Senator Goldwater
said, "Yes, I recall that incident. What was it? Do you know?"
I replied, "Yes, sir, it was a Soviet failed mission to Venus in 1965.
It was not alien, Senator. The public was lead to believe it was a UFO.
Far easier to explain than a missile from the USSR hitting within the USA".
- Goldwater asked if I was aware of who
the Germans were? I replied, "Yes, one was Siegfried Knemeyer, the
former head of the German RLM ( The Reichsluftfahrtministerium), the Third
Reich's Air Ministry for aircraft development for the Luftwaffe. He died
in 1979 in the USA. Another was Dr. Hans Amtmann, an expert in vertical
take off aircraft. One other I am familiar is Dr. Alexander Lippisch who
was more so well known and a pioneer in tailless aircraft, the US Delta
wing fighter, the F-102A Delta Dagger and an advanced design of a ground
effect flying boat. I'm almost certain these men also did a reverse engineering
on the object that crashed near Roswell, New Mexico". I could see
that what i was telling the Senator may have had his mind in a spin. So,
I slowed down. He said, "Mac, what are you doing here? We need people
like you in DC". I said that my place was right here at KSC.
- I noted the countdown clock was at two
hours and twenty seven minutes prior to the launch of Apollo 11 and asked
him if he would like a soft drink? He said: "Yeah, maybe a shot and
a beer, after hearing all you have said, Mac". He laughed. I smiled
and went for two Pepsi-Colas.
- When I returned, he continued the conversation
saying: "Mac, you work in one of the most secretive and important
areas of our national security on the cutting edge of space science and
are no doubt aware of much that has and is happening during our missions
into space". I confirmed his statement saying I was also part of an
ONI (Office of Naval Intelligence) unit at Patrick Air Force Base South
of the Cape. He was surprised to hear that fact. He said, "So, you
are Naval Intelligence, young man?" I said, "Well, yes sir, but,
only one member". He continued, making certain none of the people
nearby was within listening distance, "Now, may I ask you what you
have heard or seen here?" I joked with him and said "Do you have
a need to know, sir" and we both laughed.
- Goldwater smiled while he adjusted his
camera tripod. Soon, a man and woman wondered by saying hello and we both
similarly replied. I asked the man if he would take a photo of Goldwater
and I together. I asked approval of the Senator and he gave his OK. Following
the photo being taken, I thanked both the people, they shook the hand of
the Senator and they went on their way. I was disappointed and noted after
it was developed that the photo had been taken too distant to show both
our faces in more detail. But, it does show enough recognition. (See enhanced
Clark McClelland and Senator Barry Goldwater At The
Kennedy Space Center (KSC) On 7-16-69
- I asked the Senator if he knew Senator
Richard Russell of the State of Georgia? He snapped back, "Are you
kidding, Mac? Of course I know Dick Russell". Goldwater then softly
ask me if I was aware of Senator Russell's UFO sighting in the Soviet Union?"
I smiled and said "Yes, sir. I learned of it through my ONI Unit"
- He said, "Now, do you have the proper
clearances, Mac?" with a smile. I told him my clearance level. He
said, "That was more than acceptable", and again smiled. He continued,
"I had heard a rumor about Russell having his UFO experience, and
thought I would approach him about it. I was careful not to have him cuss
me out like LeMay.
- I'll tell you what he and I discussed.
About six or seven years ago in 1962, before my election loss to Johnson
in1964, Dick and I got together after a Senate meeting and sat alone in
his office. Dick said that around sundown on 4 October 1955, he saw two
separate saucer shaped crafts while traveling on a train through the Soviet
Union on his way to Czechoslovakia. He made a small sketch of the object
for us to study on his desk pad. He showed a sparkle flashing under its
base and indicated it had two lights on its top portion that remained stationary,
while the outer section of each disc appeared to revolve or spin. He said
it had a slight yellowish color and may have been 25 to 35 feet in diameter.
After talking about the object for about five minutes, Russell tore the
desk pad drawing off his sketch pad and placed it in his jacket pocket
for later burning. He told me that it was classified Top Secret by the
FBI and military. He did not want the sketch to end up in the wrong hands".
- Goldwater told me that Russell then detailed
how he watched from his train window as one saucer-shaped craft was seen
to rise slowly from the ground about 2 miles away and flew over his train
at not too high a rate of speed. It was estimated to be between 5 to 6,000
feet in altitude. Goldwater emphasized, "Mac, Dick was so excited
about this actual viewing of a UFO that he tried to summon his Russian
language interpreter, Ruben Efron who arrived too late and had only a brief
sighting of the object. His aid was Colonel Hathaway (later, I learned
he was U. S. Army Colonel, E. U. Hathaway, the military aid-de-camp for
the U..S. Senate Armed Services Committee).
- Goldwater said that Russell was not able
to alert Ruben quickly for him to have only a brief sighting of the initial
craft, but, he, Colonel Hathaway and Ruben all witnessed the second disc
in detail. Russell said the CIA and FBI, and perhaps the NSA were apparently
briefed in DC concerning this very important event and had a US Air Force
officer interview Russell, Ruben and Colonel Hathaway in Europe. Goldwater
could not recall the US Air Force Officers name. Later I gained that data
and discovered it was Lt. Colonel, Thomas Ryan who prepared a detailed
report on the sighting for the Pentagon. The report was highly classified
and was not made public until the excellent work of Dr. Bruce Maccabee,
Chairman of the Fund for UFO Research obtained the documents through the
Freedom of Information Act It was not declassified for public viewing until
1985! Thirty years after the incident.
- Goldwater said, "Mac, it makes one
wonder why objects that do not exist, according to the USAF, require such
TOP Secrecy by the US Government?" I agreed.
- Note: In February 2006, The Bush Administration
once again reclassified at least 55,000 former secret and confidential
documents. Once again they were not to be released to the public through
the Freedom of Information Act. What caused the highly secretive Bush Administration
to reverse that decision? What is Bush, Chaney, Rumsfeld, Rice, etc., now
keeping from the general knowledge of the tax paying public? Makes one
- I continued our exchange, saying, "Senator,
when I first arrived at Cape Canaveral in 1958, the initial mystery event
I became aware of was what RCA Engineers called Lonesome George! I later
was informed by those personnel that they had accidentally discovered an
orbiting, what could be called, alien space probe out at the distance of
the moon. Senator, remember that the USA and USSR had not orbited any man
made object at the time they initially discovered the object. What was
its purpose, negative or positive concerning the safety of the human race?
It apparently was not showing any harmful intent towards the earth".
Goldwater did show amazement at my disclosure and admitted having no knowledge
of the object.
- I then related I was also aware of several
Mercury, Gemini and other UFO sightings by astronaut crews. That statement
seemed to light up the Senators eyes. He asked, "What did they observe?"
I continued, "During our Mercury Program, I heard the voice of Astronaut
Gordon Cooper during his Mercury 9 mission report a "green colored
object" that appeared to be passing his capsule in the opposite orbital
direction over the Pacific Ocean in 1963. Many years later, I spoke with
Gordo during a phone conversation and asked him if he would elaborate?
He denied it was a fact and said he did not see an object during Mercury
9. But, I had heard him say he was tracking such an object? He quickly
added, we are on a phone Slim (My nickname used by several of the earlier
astronauts). He caught me by surprise".
- The Senator asked me why? I said, "I
suspected that Gordo was giving me a message. He apparently had suspicion
his phone was not secure. Maybe I was incorrectly making that judgment,
but, that was my analysis of his statement. Senator, now to elaborate on
the Mercury 9 mission. I was at the Mercury Mission Control facility here
at Cape Canaveral on the day of the return to earth by Cooper. I had initially
tried to visit USAF Colonel John A. "Shorty" Powers at Hangar
"S" discovering that the Colonel was at mission control South
of the hangar area and I drove there to see him. He had my special Mercury
9 lapel pin, a memento of this historic mission.
- Having security clearance, I entered
the mission control area. I immediately heard communications between Mercury
9 and the Cap Com (Capsule Communication) officer, Astronaut Wally Schirra
who was tracking Cooper and the Faith 7 across the Pacific Ocean on it's
final pass prior to splash down in that same area on its next pass. It
was the final orbit of Faith Seven before reentry back to earth. The commentary
was on an open PA system at mission control. Following the disclosure of
Cooper that he was observing a "green colored object", and other
comments that were made by Astronaut Scott Carpenter who was in the Kauai,
Hawaii tracking station concerning it. Senator, Cooper was on his third
orbit and had released a highly luminous 6 inch diameter Xenon Strobe Light
sphere to test his tracking capabilities of the object while on orbit.
He finally was able to see it on his fourth orbit. Senator, I wonder if
the object he saw was connected to that Xenon Strobe Light? But, it was
not green and not in the proper orbital path.."
- "Senator, I believe he actually
did see a UFO. Sir, Cooper has disclosed to me that he had chased UFOs
during his USAF duties in 1951 while in Germany. He said they out maneuvered
his flight of F-86 Sabre jets and were flying at a greater speed than our
airplanes. Goldwater said: "Yes, Mac, I'm aware of that fact."
I continued, "Are you aware that Astronaut Gordon Cooper was later
bumped from the Apollo 14 lunar landing mission by NASA? Goldwater said:
"Mac, I also recall that fact". "Yes sir, he was" I
replied. "Why? Were there hidden reasons?"
- Goldwater again asked? "Sir, Gordo
enjoyed racing, he loved controlling a fast vehicle, like most of those
earlier astronauts. He was considering entering a big car race in Daytona
Beach against the objections of NASA. He was warned by NASA to stay clear
of any race in Daytona. They had spent a lot of money training him and
were not going to have an car accident impact their critical lunar launch
schedule. Gordo was angered by that refusal. NASA realized he was still
planning on entering a race, so they finally assigned that Apollo 14 mission
to Alan Shepard.
- "Following that incident, it was
all down hill for Gordon Cooper and his NASA astronaut career. Gordo was
bitter about that up to the day of his death. Weeks, a month or two after
Coopers Mercury-9 mission, I often went to Hangar "S" that was
a short distance from Hangar "T" where I was part of the Titan
II Launch Operations team. The guard at the hangar gate approved my
entry and I would usually find the astronaut that was next up for
a mission. Cooper was there after his, and we sat down and discussed
his mission and UFOs."
- "He said he was considering taking
the mystery to a world organization (He did not say the UN) and hopefully
have the subject brought before the world to establish research into what
they were and what their mission might be concerning the earth. Cooper
believed UFOs were extraterrestrial machines. I believe Cooper knew secrets
about UFOs he kept from disclosing to the public at that time. I personally
believe he was threatened with the loss of his retirement (as I personally
suffered) if he would not remain quiet. His interest in UFOs also
may have impacted his NASA career."
- Goldwater then asked about sightings
during other space missions. I mentioned several during Gemini and Apollo
and then I asked him if he had heard anything about a 1956 US Naval aircraft
and the huge UFO that many crew member and others observed over the Atlantic
Ocean? He said he had not. I said, "I was not surprised. Senator,
it apparently was also kept secret by the Pentagon as that incident of
Senator Russell. My initial muster (US Naval term for a meeting) with the
US Navy ONI Unit 6-69 at Patrick AFB, Florida was in early 1959. I was
introduced to several highly ranked officers (admirals, captains, etc.)
who immediately swore me to secrecy, Bible and all, concerning what I was
about to presently view and other data I would experience in the future
concerning confidential and secret information. I agreed and volunteered
to operate the group movie and slide projector.
- My being an investigator of UFOs, and
a member of NICAP, for many years was apparently well known by this group
of US Naval Officers. I had presented talks on the subject of Space Flight
and UFOs at the Philadelphia Naval Base a few years prior, and was presently
seeking additional UFO encounters within the space program. I realized
that would be my value to the unit along with my friendship with many NASA
Astronauts to this ONI Unit. Captain Rudy Bergholz, a technical manager
at NASA KSC, opened a large film canister and handed it to me. The film
can was marked, confidential with other taped notes of instructions and
- I began rolling the film and I found
it to be an amazing disclosure of a UFO incident that occurred in 1956.
The officers were excitingly talking among themselves as it described the
sighting of a huge disc shaped UFO (400 feet in diameter) by a US Naval
flight crew in a Navy R7V-2 transport, which was a four engine Super-Constellation
traveling West over the Atlantic Ocean towards Gander, Newfoundland. An
apparent refueling stop for its eventual landing at the Naval Air Station
at Patuxant, Maryland. (Note: A base where several astronaut crews would
eventually be trained for secret DoD missions, STS-48, UFOs etc. during
future Space Shuttle Program).
- I immediately noted a familiar name,
Admiral Delmar S. Fahrney being mentioned in the film. Goldwater injected
a comment, "Yes, I have met Admiral Fahrney, Mac." I said,"
Yes, sir" I continued, "Another comment was made in the film
recognizing NICAP and Major Donald E. Keyhoe, a former US Marine fighter
pilot". I asked the Senator if he knew Keyhoe? He said, "Yes,
I have met him. A very impressive man". I commented that I wondered
why I had not heard about this case prior to this ONI meeting, perhaps
from NICAP in Washington DC?
- Captain Bergholz said I had not yet been
approved to have a "need to know" by the US Navy. Apparently,
now I had that need, but, why? During the meeting, Captain Bergholz finally
sprung the reason, I was to investigate and verify through those German
Scientists at Cape Canaveral, who those Paper Clip Scientists were that
had come to the USA with Dr. Wernher von Braun in 1946 and who had been
assigned to the AMC (Air Material Command) Foreign Technology Division
at Wright Field, Ohio? Bergholz being my commanding officers delegated
the job to me because of my association with many German Scientists at
Cape Canaveral. I later informed Burgholz that I had discovered at least
three Paper Clip Scientists that were assigned to Wright Field following
their arrival with Dr.Wernher von Braun. One named Siegfried Knemeyer,
former Third Reich Luftwaffe Pilot and RLM Director, - - -
- "Senator Goldwater interrupted me,
and said, "Mac, what's RLM? I told him it was the German Air Ministry
that created the various planes, like the Messerschmitt, Junker, and may
have influenced the the V-1 and V-2 rockets at Peenemunde. I continued,
two other Paper Clip scientists at Wright Field are Dr. Hans Amtmann and
Dr. Alexander Lippisch. I believe all three are still at Wright-Patterson
Air Force base, Senator. Perhaps you can try and contact them there."
The Senator quickly replied, "No, not after that experience with General
- I said " Senator, you are aware
of the military rivalry to gain the upper hand over other areas of the
United States military that has been an on-going practice throughout our
national history". He replied, "Yes, I am, having been associated
with the military budgets in the Senate". I continued saying, "There
was and still is a great rivalry between the US military services and since
the USAF and the US Army ABMA were playing the same game between them at
Wright Field, the AMC (Air Material Command) Foreign Technology Division
of the USAF had captured alien technology and the US Navy wanted it shared
with the ONI. Another habitual US Military squabble. Can you imagine the
Soviet Union having such squabbles? Not on your life. Admirals and General
would have been marched to a wall and executed. In fact, Stalin did just
that to several of his military officers. Goldwater agreed.
- I continued to explain the film, "As
we all watched the ONI film, it described the sighting of a huge 400 foot
or larger saucer shaped object that was encountered by a US Navy R7V-2
four engine Constellation aircraft over the Atlantic Ocean. As many as
40 military personnel and air crew observed it as it approached the aircraft
and appeared to be observing the Navy plane. It was at an altitude of about
19 to 20,000 feet and at first the object was mistaken for being a gathering
of many ships below the plane due to its size when initially and earlier
viewed far below the aircraft by the navigator and commander of the plane.
I said, Senator Goldwater, I cannot recall the names of the flight crew.
He said, "Just continue with the incident, Mac. It's very interesting
and I was not aware it had happened". I continued, "They all
witnessed it and described it as having a large illuminated outer ring.
- Since it and what some said may have
been other craft below were possibly seen. As the large object approached
the plane at about 1,000 yards those aboard were mystified and frightened.
The crew later said it was a huge saucer shaped metallic machine."
Goldwater asked, "Mac, did they show photographs of it in the ONI
- I told him I was not aware that a film
was exposed during the actual incident, so, no, I did not see any depiction
of the UFO. If any UFO film, was taken at all, it was apparently under
Top Secret classification and not shown in the ONI film. Some comments
made by the crew in the film were that they all considered the huge object
was "intelligently controlled". They also said that no living
creature, etc, was seen. They added that the crafts speed from when it
climbed from near sea level to their aircraft altitude was estimated to
be about 1,400 to 2,000+ knots in a brief time lapse of seven to eight
seconds." The Senator said, "That's astounding, Mac! What else
- I continued, "The Navy aircraft
commander radioed ahead to the Gander Air Force Base control tower and
asked if their radar was identifying any other object near his R7V-2? The
tower control officer said, yes, a larger object and in close proximity
of the Navy plane. Sir, they verified that gigantic craft was on their
radar!" He replied, "Mac, I was not aware of that case! I will
try and pursue it when I return to Washington". I replied, "Contact
Don Keyhoe or Richard Hall, his deputy". I continued with the sighting
saying, "The US Navy flight Commander asked the USAF interviewer at
Gander during their individual and group debriefing was asked by the interrogator,
did they see any indication of life? His reply was, no, but it was intelligently
controlled, and my crew and I are all witnesses to that fact! That object
was not remotely controlled, something inside of it was in CONTROL! The
interrogator would not discuss what the Gander Radar had recorded and refused
to allow the Navy to review it. The Navy Commander asked the Air Force
Officer, what's the USAF up to now? You people say UFOs do not exist, what
the hell did we see if they don't exist? The USAF Officer said, Sorry,
we cannot answer any of your questions!
- I told the Senator that I suspected it
was Dr. J. Alan Hynek who became involved about four or so days later after
the US Navy aircraft arrived at Patuxant, Maryland and the crew was once
again placed under an intense ONI interrogation with a detailed report
from each crew member and those who were passengers returning home."
Senator Goldwater then said, "What was the scientists response, Mac?
I am very interested to know. I may contact Hynek and try to investigate
if he were the scientist involved." I replied, "Good idea sir.
- Now to continue, the unidentified scientist
asked the Navy Commander if he had any photographs of the huge UFO? The
Commander said yes, but they have all been confiscated and classified.
The scientist met with the Commander and unlocked a brief case and withdrew
several photos of strange objects (UFOs). He asked the Commander if any
were similar? While reviewing the photos, the Commander stopped and said,
this is the exact saucer shaped object my crew and I saw. He then said,
if you and the government have photos such as these, there are people within
the Federal Government who know? The scientist said he was sorry, but.,
he could not disclose anything. Closed his briefcase and left the room.
Senator, the facts concerning UFOs and if they are from an alien star race
is known in DC!" Senator Goldwater then said, "Mac, I am absolutely
going to look into this when I return to Washington tomorrow".
- I then asked the Senator if he would
answer a few questions I had for him. He agreed. I asked him, "Are
you aware of any facts that are unknown to the public regarding the alleged
Roswell crash in 1947? He said: "Mac, I have investigated that incident
through every possible agency that may have had some responsibility, the
FBI (Hoover who shut me off quickly), The NRO, DIA, NSA, etc., and have
gained nothing other than hell from the Pentagon. You may know more about
it than I. I'm as curious about those facts as you. The reaction I have
had from General LeMay and the on-site Roswell facts known by General "Butch"
Blanchard, etc., has told me one thing that it did happen and is a major
secret regarding UFOs and aliens of our time. Perhaps of all times".
- I looked at my watch and the NASA Countdown
Clock a short distance from where we were and it was progressing without
any launch holds. Excitement was rising with the VIP crowd. My break had
run out. Senator Goldwater and I both shook hands and I thanked him for
his openness with me. As I walked away, I glanced back at him and realized
I would probably not talk with this great man in our nations history again.
To me, Senator Barry Goldwater was a national treasure and great American
- I returned to the LCC. At 9:32 AM the
liftoff of the huge Saturn V Apollo 11 rocket rumbled into space and a
historic was realized. Mankind landed and returned from the moon and will
continue to explore the vast universe should our human existence continue.
- On 29 May 1998, Barry Goldwater passed
away in Phoenix, Arizona. Perhaps he now knows the secrets of that "
secret area" at Wright-Patterson Air Force Base and is now aware of
other races among the stars.
- Clark McClelland Former ScO, Space Shuttle
Fleet Kennedy Space Center, Florida 1958 to 1992 email@example.com