- Dr. James David Manning, who will be conducting a jury
trial to hear charges against Obama next month
- (Apr. 27, 2010) -- Today The Post & Email welcomed
back Dr. James David Manning, Ph.D., to speak about the upcoming Columbia
University Treason and Sedition Trial which he is conducting
in Harlem, NY, from May 14-19, 2010. Dr. Manning reports that he has documented
evidence that Barack Hussein Obama II is not a "natural born Citizen"
as required by the U.S. Constitution to be President of the United States,
and that Obama also did not attend Columbia University from 1981-83 as
Obama has claimed.
- MRS. RONDEAU: In your most recent video, you stated
that a highly-placed government official will be testifying at the trial.
How did you get him to agree to testify, and will he be there in person
or submitting something written?
- DR. MANNING: Right now, we are anticipating at least
two government officials will testify. One will be through statements
that will be uttered that will be documented, and the other will be a physical
presentation where he will actually take the stand.
- MRS. RONDEAU: And are they in government now or
were they past employees of the federal government?
- DR. MANNING: One is in government now, and one is
a past employee.
- MRS. RONDEAU: How did you reach out to them and
- DR. MANNING: Actually, one reached out to me and
the other became a matter of my investigation discovery.
- MRS. RONDEAU: How long has the investigation lasted?
- DR. MANNING: I have been following the Obama ineligibility
issue from 2007, quite frankly, but more emphatically since the election
on November 4, 2008. That is when I began observing the issue of ineligibility
more closely. I have been on this matter for a couple of years now.
- MRS. RONDEAU: How long have you had a formal investigation
- DR. MANNING: Six months or so.
- MRS. RONDEAU: I know that the trial will take place
May 14-19. You've also mentioned a <http://atlah.org/atlahworldwide/?p=7063>march around
Columbia University. Does that coincide with those dates, or will that
be at a separate time?
- DR. MANNING: The two are synonymous.
- MRS. RONDEAU: Do you have any other key witnesses
- DR. MANNING: I have some very interesting witnesses
that I have subpoenaed such that if they show up, it will be explosive.
If they don't show up, we're going to have them testify based on previous
statements they have made, carefully observing the rules of evidence to
enter those statements into evidence. Having said that, I have subpoenaed
George Stephanopoulos, Zbigniew Brzezinski, and Condolezza Rice; I have
subpoenaed Michael Sovern, the President of Columbia University at the
hour when the breach and the infractions took place; and I have subpoenaed
Rod Blagojevich, whom I think is integral to a number of things that went
on with the surrender of Barack Obama's law license back in the spring
of 2008 when Blagojevich was still governor; I want to talk to him about
that. I've subpoenaed all of the faculty that were a part of the Political
Science program during the years that Obama would have been a student at
- More recently, I have subpoenaed Louis Farrakhan and
Jesse Jackson mainly because they were in Chicago in an eminent way during
the years that Obama was an alleged community organizer. Jesse Jackson
was running PUSH and the Rainbow Coalition, and Louis Farrakhan was eminent
in forming the Million Man March, and Obama was allegedly a community
organizer during a stretch of years. I want to know what their relationship
was and why they did not know him until he rolled into the Senate seat
in Illinois some years later. More specifically, the tenor of Chicago
needs to be outlined by those two leaders.
- I have also subpoenaed James Cone, who is a professor
and the founder of the whole idea of Black Theology. He wrote a very explosive
book in the early '80s outlining black theology. He was the mentor of
Jeremiah Wright, who was Obama's pastor for 20 years. Jeremiah Wright
has developed his theology out of James Cone's Black Theology; all the
tenets which Wright preaches are based on Cone's philosophical, religious
and cultural outline. I've subpoenaed him for two reasons. One is that
Dr. James Cone was an eminent professor at the Union Theological Seminary,
which had a very close relationship with Columbia University. During the
years that Obama would have studied at Columbia, James Cone was right across
the street as the most eminent black theologian in 1979-81. Everyone on
the planet was talking about James Cone then. I want to ask James Cone
this one question: Why is it that he and Obama never knew each other with
Obama being a black person searching for his roots, and James Cone right
there with everyone wanting an interview with him. Why didn't Obama take
any classes with him? The Union Theological Seminary and Columbia University
- MRS. RONDEAU: Do you think it's significant that
they apparently never met?
- DR. MANNING: I think it's telling beyond belief
that if Obama was indeed, in his own words, "searching for his roots,"
if James Cone was teaching in the school Obama attended, why didn't they
know each other?
- MRS. RONDEAU: Do you think perhaps they met or had
dealings with each other and neither one will admit it?
- DR. MANNING: Well, let's find out. If they concealed
the information, why? I have a hunch that they did not; in fact, I know
that they didn't, because James Cone was my professor as well during those
years. Perhaps they had lunch; I doubt it, but if they did, why did they
conceal it, and if they didn't, there is no way that Obama could have been
at Columbia and not have known James Cone. And also, James Cone and Cornell
West were both professors from 1979 to 1985 at Union Theological Seminary,
which had a close relationship with Columbia University. Both were my
professors during those years. Not only do I want to know why Obama did
not know James Cone; I want to know why he didn't know Cornell West. At
the time, these two men were perhaps the two most important black men on
the planet, and for Obama not to have had any contact with them, or to
mention them in any of his writings or speeches, leaves a big question
mark, and I want to know why. I've subpoenaed those four men to come to
testify; now whether they come or not remains to be seen.
- MRS. RONDEAU: Is there a penalty if anyone does
not honor your subpoena?
- DR. MANNING: The Tenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution
gives us the absolute, mandated right to call for a trial with a jury of
we the people sanctioned by the Constitution if we discover that the courts
or government officials are not executing their duties and allowing the
people due process. Thusly, the Constitution empowers our courts. We,
at times, will present evidence that crimes have taken place. At that
point, it becomes the responsibility of the officials to arrest those who
have been charged with crimes in a public and duly-authorized hearing or
court. We will point out that crimes did take place. If the court is
duly authorized, then the contempt of that court is also an infraction,
and you can be arrested for that as well. So anyone who does not show
up can be in contempt of a duly-authorized, Tenth Amendment, constitutionally-mandated
court. That's the best way to answer that.
- MRS. RONDEAU: Do you have a mechanism to enforce
- DR. MANNING: We will present the information to
the local officials.
- MRS. RONDEAU: How many people do you expect to be
there, not counting media?
- DR. MANNING: We have several people, more than 50,
who have submitted their names to serve as jurors. I suspect that number
will go well past 100 before we actually begin the process of selecting
12. We have other people also who have volunteered to participate in the
trial: stenographers, artists, technicians a large number in those
areas. In terms of observers and those who will march around Columbia
University, the Columbia march and the trial will happen in tandem, so
we will start each day with a march around the compound of Columbia University.
It will have the biblical basis of the Joshua march around the city of
Jericho. We will do it by that example and then come back to the courtroom,
which is only seven blocks from Columbia. The trial will start each day
about 11:00, because it will take us about an hour or so to do the march
around the campus.
- How many people participate in total is anybody's guessall
I know is that we're getting a flurry of activity and information and registration
of people who have stated that they are going to be here. I suspect we're
going to see thousands upon thousandsI estimated at one point 30,000I really
- MRS. RONDEAU: When will you finish selecting the
- DR. MANNING: That is a matter of whether or not
Columbia and/or Obama will send defense attorneys to make an attempt to
represent themselves, so it's hard to say. A jury selection process could
go for a day and a half or two days, perhaps.
- MRS. RONDEAU: So people might arrive there thinking
that they're going to be on the jury, and that might not be the case.
- DR. MANNING: They have to be here on the morning
of the 14th and they have to register well in advance. There's a registration
login at our website where jurors can log in and register. But they will
have to be here on the morning of the 14th in the courtroom in order to
be a part of the jury.
- MRS. RONDEAU: And then you'll start selecting jurors
just as any other grand jury would?
- DR. MANNING: Yes.
- MRS. RONDEAU: During the trial, do you expect that
evidence will come out that specifically points to Obama being ineligible
for the presidency, or is your evidence focused strictly on the Columbia
- DR. MANNING: The trial, at present, is being structured
by me, as a prosecutor, in three phases. Phase One will demonstrate unequivocally
with proof, with documentation, with statements, with a plethora of evidence
that Obama is indeed not a natural born Citizen. That would be the objective,
and we will have evidence that will substantiate that at least 12 different
acceptable ways. From there, we will demonstrate that since he isn't natural
born, he violates the U.S. Constitution. That's No. 1.
- The second stage of the trial will demonstrate that the
alleged Columbia years were not spent at Columbia University and the issuance
of the degree all over the place demonstrates that Obama did not attend
Columbia in a traditional or non-traditional, satellite or correspondence
course. He was not enrolled in any of those courses. We will demonstrate
the type of program that Columbia had and the requirements for a political
science major to complete and that Obama did not participate at that level,
yet he was issued a degree. We have the documentation at Stage 2 of the
trial to demonstrate that both Columbia and Obama were in a criminal conspiracy
to issue and to accept, respectively, knowing that he had not completed
the required courses to have done so.
- MRS. RONDEAU: Was Columbia paid off?
- DR. MANNING: They were certainly compensated for
their efforts; "paid off" might not be the appropriate term.
- The third segment will be to demonstrate that if Obama
was not at Columbia for two solid years, then where was he? and why was
he? which would introduce how he was first approached and why Columbia
was approached, and we're going to go through all of the evidence that
Obama has presented, which is scant. Columbia has produced absolutely nothing
to validate any reason to give him a degree in light of all the questions
that were raised about his non-attendance there. Then we're going to move
to demonstrating the CIA involvement, the Afghanistan involvement, the
Patrice Lamumba School in Moscow, how that entire area works
and what Obama's and the CIA's roles were during those years.
- MRS. RONDEAU: So you will cover a lot of ground
during those 5-6 days.
- DR. MANNING: Yes, we plan to do it as efficiently
as we possibly can; we just wonder whether we'll have enough time, because
some of this could take 3-4 days on its own.
- MRS. RONDEAU: And you have paper documentation of
all of this?
- DR. MANNING: Yes, we do.
- MRS. RONDEAU: How many private investigators did
- DR. MANNING: We used only three, not including myself.
With me, that makes four. One of them is a trained attorney.
- MRS. RONDEAU: Are you able to announce the names
of the lawyers and judge who may be presiding, prosecuting or defending
during the trial?
- DR. MANNING: I would not want to release that information
- MRS. RONDEAU: If for some reason on the 19th you
have not finished presenting all of the evidence, is there a mechanism
to extend the trial, or does it have to be done within those six days?
- DR. MANNING: We are going to approach this matter,
if the attorneys for the defense show up, using reasonable and fair procedures
that both the defense and the prosecution can agree upon; that's generally
how it's done. The defense could spend four days defending one issue that
I bring up, so this trial could last for a month. If it did, then of course
both parties would then have to agree to let the trial run its course.
If we get into a contest between the prosecution and the defense attorneys
and we recognize that even with the selecting of a jury and the presentation
of the prosecution's case, we've exhausted the first 5-7 days, I think
it would be agreeable to both the American people and the people involved
to do what every other trial does: let it run its course, and when it's
complete, it's complete. We have put the parameters of the trial based
on the march around Columbia University at seven days, but that certainly
is not a hard and fast rule.
- MRS. RONDEAU: At this point, do you know if Obama
is aware that this is going to take place?
- DR. MANNING: Well, he has been served, as has Columbia
University. We have talked with the officials from New York City's police
department about it, and they are in great deliberations about it as we
speak. I am absolutely confident that he is aware that the trial has been
- MRS. RONDEAU: Has there been any response from the
White House or any defense attorneys for him?
- DR. MANNING: None.
- MRS. RONDEAU: You may have recently read that attorneys
for Rod Blagojevich, the former Illinois governor whom you mentioned a
few minutes ago, have subpoenaed Obama to testify at his trial which is
expected to start June 3. The Post & Email just published a story on
it. Do you think that what Blagojevich contends, that Obama is vital to
the case because he has different information from what has been presented,
is true, and that Obama could be guilty of crimes regarding the selling
of the Senate seat?
- DR. MANNING: I am convinced that Blagojevich knows
of Obama's crimes, and to subpoena Obama for his trial is an act which
is probably as confident as my act of bringing Obama to trial. I think
Rod Blagojevich may be a bit of an odd person in many ways, but I think
he knows that Obama has committed crimes and that he has the leverage to
use that knowledge in the appropriate way. Why he did not use it to maintain
his governor's seat could be a matter of the federal investigation and
his own crimes, but I am confident that he knows Obama has committed crimes.
- I did read that Blagojevich has subpoenaed Obama, but
I also read that there was a mistake in the release of seven documents
that were supposed to have been sealed regarding Obama and for whatever
reason were mistakenly released in the process. Actually, I don't think
they were mistakenly released; I think they were leaked. I think that's
a tactic that Obama uses quite often, leaking information. I think he's
going to do the same thing now: rather than appearing for the trial, I
think he's going to try to leak his way out of it. I've subpoenaed Rod
Blagojevich because I know that he is absolutely integral to information
about Obama, and at the appropriate time, we'll use it. I think right
now, other than Obama's grandmother, Madelyn Dunham, and Tony Rezko, too,
by the way, who has been shuffled around throughout the correctional system
for years and has not been sentenced - that's unheard-of. It's absolutely
incredible that this man has not yet been sentenced, obviously because
he hasn't worked out a deal with Blagojevich and Obama. I wish I could
subpoena Tony Rezko, but I'm certainly going to get Blagojevich here.
I think he might come. More than anybody else, I think Blagojevich might
- MRS. RONDEAU: Have you heard anything from him?
- DR. MANNING: Not a word.
- MRS. RONDEAU: Is there any evidence that gives you
the idea that he might come?
- DR. MANNING: No.
- MRS. RONDEAU: Regarding accommodations for those
who will be coming to New York, have you made package arrangements available?
- DR. MANNING: We've listed some hotels to give people
a general sense of the area as well as travel companies such as Expedia,
Priceline.com, and all those places which can help people to get into a
room and get comfortable.
- The week prior to the trial, we will put up a pictorial
of the area and a schedule of events right down to the last detail. All
of that will be made available so that when people finally do arrive in
New York, they will be able to go through the pictorial and won't be lost
about anything regarding the trial or the march.
- MRS. RONDEAU: What will you be doing between now
and the trial?
- DR. MANNING: At the present time, we are structuring
the flow of information and the idea of what we want to see as jurors.
Our next step within the next couple of days is to begin to reach out to
the Harlem community. As you know, this is happening in Harlem. We have
2000-3000 people, at the very least, expected to march through the streets
of Harlem, all coming from a conservative, Anglo-Saxon background. Therefore,
we want to make sure that we have done our homework in the community, first
of all, by informing the community that the people will be coming and for
the businesses, the restaurants, the shops, souvenir places, to be prepared
to receive this extra flow of business. We want to at least offer that
as an olive branch to the community. We also are taking measures to make
sure that we reach out to the community leaders so that the people who
are integral to the community will recognize that this is simply a matter
of justice that needs to take place. That way, there will not be any disrespect
for either group that will be in the community at the time.
- Because we believe that a large number of people coming
will be middle-aged to elderly people, we want to make sure that because
they will not be able to get into the church but will be seated outside,
there will be comfortable seating for everybody, refreshments, water -
we're contacting several of the major bottling companies to get involved
in the process and a number of other people who will be integral to making
comfortable the days during which people will be sitting and watching the
trial on a big screen. I think our major efforts over the next couple
of weeks will be to get the community ready to receive this, and we want
the community very much involved in the process.
- MRS. RONDEAU: Would you say that most of the people
in your immediate community are or were Obama supporters?
- DR. MANNING: I would say that for the most part,
they still are, but not at the level at which they werethe kind of energy
that was generated during the campaign is not there now. People were excited
because of the campaign and its potential. They've had a year, nearly
two years now, to digest Obama's alleged and illegal presidency, and some
of that energy has dissipated, and for the most part, they would never
be as excitable as they were during the campaign.
- MRS. RONDEAU: Do you think a lot of them are disappointed
in Obama, or do you think they sense that something could be wrong with
- DR. MANNING: I think both. I think perhaps they're
willing to sweep it under the rug, and perhaps many have said, "Well,
you know, if there's something wrong with his legitimacy, he's not the
first; think about who Bush was," and a number of other things. But
it has lessened some of his support; it is not as staunch as it was, and
I don't think it will ever be again, quite frankly.
- MRS. RONDEAU: Is that true of members of your church
who were avid Obama supporters?
- DR. MANNING: Yes, it does. The passing of time
and the fact that he has not met any of those expectations as far as the
black community is concerned have caused their support to wane. I think
the best way to express that is that many people, even on the very liberal
far left, are disappointed with Obama. They thought that he was really
going to demonstrate a change that they could sink their teeth into and
be proud of. He's disappointed them. And that's understandable and appreciable
from a political point of view that is legitimate. The black people are
equally disappointed, not so much because they had a clear outline of what
they thought Obama would be as a black president; I'm not sure what they
expected, but they're certainly not getting it, or anything near it, and
they know it in their hearts.
- MRS. RONDEAU: So people are starting to understand
that he didn't follow through on what he said he would do.
- DR. MANNING: Or become what they thought he would
become. People are floating statements around now that there's not much
difference between Obama and Clarence Thomas or Obama and George Bush,
and that is damning! People are writing that and making valid points,
that Obama is continuing the Bush doctrine. That's unheard-of, but it's
- MRS. RONDEAU: After the trial, will there be a way
to get the information to every single American, particularly if they don't
have internet access?
- DR. MANNING: Because the courts have prevented the
evidence that I will be presenting at this trial from being presented and
deliberated on, they have routinely stated that those who made claims against
Obama have no standing, so therefore, the information has been muted, for
the most part. The psychological effect of that is when the courts made
such statements regarding that and all the attorneys: Phil Berg, Orly
Taitz, and the otherspeople who did not understand the procedure thought
the courts had ruled against the information. The courts never ruled against
the validity of the information; they ruled against the opportunity to
bring that information to the courts that it might become public knowledge.
- Our advantage here is that we can then demonstrate that
a constitutionally-mandated, Tenth Amendment court hearing has taken place,
the evidence has been presented in a credible way that is irrefutable,
and there is documented evidence that crimes have taken placeat that point,
America is going to have to step back and ask herself a question: What
should we do about this? Should we disavow the right of the people to
call a court, a grand juryby the way, grand juries are not a part of the
government, but yet, certainly are mandated by the Constitution, and as
such, on a matter as integral, as important, as all-encompassing as the
highest office of our land, are we simply going to ignore the evidence
as if it never took place? I don't think so.
- The other thing is that I am convinced that, knowing
the media, they know that this is going on, because the New York City Police
Department is making statements such as, "We can't handle seven days
of people marching around; we don't have the resources to do that; we can't
shut down the streets for seven days." Now they're going to have
to do it, but the Mayor has to make the final decision on this. So the
media has been informed. I guarantee you: one of the mainstream media-types
is going to break this story, because they recognize that if they don't
break it, someone's going to break it before themtrust me, by the time
the gavel falls, they'll be all over the place.
- MRS. RONDEAU: So you do think that the mainstream
media, television, perhaps, will report this?
- DR. MANNING: I'm confident of it; they'll have to.
You can't have white people marching through Harlem and the media not
report it. I don't care how much they love Obama.
- MRS. RONDEAU: If after the trial you find Obama
guilty of something and present it to law enforcement, is there any way
they can tell you that you don't have standing?
- DR. MANNING: Not unless they're willing to disavow
the Constitution. If I approached a local precinct or district attorney
and said, "I am a witness to a crime; I saw this man sell drugs and
then stab the person he sold the drugs to, and here's the evidence,"
if the district attorney says, "You don't have standing, and I'm not
going to act upon that," then he is negligent in his duty and can
be prosecuted himself. This trial will bring forth testimony of crimes
that have taken place, and at that point, somebody has to arrest somebody.
- MRS. RONDEAU: Do you think that will be an outcome
of the trial?
- DR. MANNING: If it's not, then the failure to arrest
will be a bigger issue. The matter here is that the authorities are going
to have to act one way or the other. The matter cannot be kept away from
the press. I have likened this to an open door with Columbia University.
There is no way that this matter will not become a national and international
event. We have international people coming to the trial who will be reporting
about it in their nations. The only way that they can stop this information
from coming out is to stop the trial. It will have to be reported and
acted upon unless they want to go further and state, "Because of our
complicit criminal activity, we're going to ignore the constitutional mandate
allowing people to form a trial and to bring due process to the American
- MRS. RONDEAU: So you think this will be the catalyst
to get law enforcement to act on this?
- DR. MANNING: I'm very confident that it will.
- MRS. RONDEAU: Is there anything else you would like
to say about the trial and everything that has led up to it?
- DR. MANNING: People in government at present, whom
I call collectively the "2008 political class" such as John McCain,
Mitt Romney, Mike Huckabee, Sarah Palin, the Clintons, Dr. Howard Dean
all these people know of Obama's ineligibility. There are people
now in the media, Bill O'Reilly and Glenn Beck (whose statement in particular
of "Well, if it was proven that he was ineligible, it would tear the
nation apart" makes him a part of the 2008 political class along with
all the others), who know that Obama is not eligible and that he is an
illegal alien, and they know that he cannot defend himself against such
a trial as this. The excuse passed around in board rooms and situation
rooms and think tanks has been that if we expose him, it would tear the
nation apart; black people in particular would rise up. And the thing
I'd like to say to you, having said that, is this: that's a misnomer;
it's a red herring. First of all, it is a very condescending, patronizing
and disrespectful view of black people that their only recourse is to riot.
- While I think that a number of things have remained the
same or gotten worse in America, one of the things I can say as an alleged
"black" pastor is that black people are not of the mindset of
the 1960s when rioting was a solution to their problems. That is not the
mindset of black people anymore, and they just don't have that energy or
that understanding. They have become a little more politically savvy whereby
they go to the polls, or they may march, but certainly not riot. That
needs to be clear. But even were they of that mindset, I don't think now,
after having observed Obama for a year and a half, that they would be willing
to put all on the line to protect someone who can be demonstrated to be
guilty and who has embarrassed them, and moreover, suckered them or pimped
them and then given black people a black eye because here's this man who
is allegedly the first black president but has a marred, if you will, dirty,
dirty background and a dirty secret. I don't think they would defend that
with riotous behavior.
- Muhammed Ali, who was, in his heyday, even more popular
than Obama is at present - I mean, he was just a very popular person -
when his title was taken from him, there was not one riot in the street
about that. When Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was assassinated, there was
some setting of fires and some boisterous behavior, but even Robert Kennedy
himself stated in a meeting in Indianapolis that he quelled a riot there
when he made the announcement and blacks went home peacefully. So to think
that to use a shotgun or to hold a shotgun to the head of the American
people to say, "Let this man continue in office, albeit illegally;
it is the better of the two evils" is a farce. It is absolutely the
worst possible thing for America and for black people, in particular.
Let justice be done and let America rise up and accept justice, and America
will heal itself. So I think that people using the argument that exposing
Obama destroys America is absolutely criminal and the worst kind of condescension
toward black people.
- MRS. RONDEAU: Do you think that's what McCain and
the others have been doing? Is that their justification for not stepping
forward and saying, "This man is not an Article II, Section I-eligible
- DR. MANNING: Absolutely.
- MRS. RONDEAU: The Post & Email very much appreciates
your time, Dr. Manning, and we wish you the very best between now and the
- DR. MANNING: God bless you.
- Editor's Note: The Post & Email's initial interview
with Dr. Manning can be found here.