- "Question Wiki-Leaks and Plausible Lies - Where
Have All The Critical Thinkers Gone? excerpts Joe Quinn, 12/2/10,
Responded to by Kirwan
- JQ: "The Wiki-leaks documents need to be considered
in a broader context. By all means, alternative news sites should continue
to expose American, British and any other government inequity that the
documents reveal. But where is the criticism of the rest of the documents
that confirm the standard Israeli/American narrative - that Iran poses
'an existentialist threat' to Israel and to 'moderate' Arab states? Does
anyone care that these documents clearly support US and Israeli war-mongering?
Does anyone else find that to be astonishing? Where is the critical thought?
- k - For "critical-thought" to even become a
factor; one must have a mind. And the "Amerikan-mind" has only
one perspective. After that perspective was set, by the propaganda line
of public-indoctrination in USI - the human-mechanism inside the public
mind which is responsible for asking questions was smashed. So apparently
it is not possible for 'Amerikans' to "interpret" anything outside
the boundaries of what has been force-fed to them as the only acceptable
situation - hence NO CRITICAL THINKING is ALLOWED.
- JQ: "Middle Eastern leaders want the US and Israel
to attack Iran.
- How can this not been seen as further US and Israeli
- k -Simply put - because Amerikans have no conception
of the multi-layered world of Middle-Eastern politics that actually rules
international actions in that region. In the Middle-East almost nothing
is 'directly undertaken'.' To put it another way, what might appear to
be the case, is very often not - not only not the case - but frequently
what might appear to be true is the exact opposite of what is going on.
The situation in the leaked messages revealed is a perfect demonstration
of 'the parallax view." n. An apparent change in the direction of
an object, caused by a change in observational position that provides a
new line of sight.
- JQ: "And what Middle Eastern country in its right
mind would want that considering that the entire area will be unfit for
human habitation for years afterward? ... And let's not forget previous
Wiki-leaks 'dumps' of data,"
- which included nuggets of US and Israeli government nonsense
like Iraq really did have WMDs! And there you were thinking that the WMD
business was a total lie! Well, guess again, thanks to some of the Wiki-leaks
documents, we now know that the US was totally justified in invading Iraq
and killing 1.5 million innocent civilians. And if that isn't enough for
ya, then just remember...9/11! Bin Laden (who is alive and well according
to previous Wiki-leaks documents) killed about 3,000 Americans that day,
which leaves the US and Iraq just about even (500 Iraqi lives being equal
to one American life). And don't go spouting any spurious conspiracy theories,
because Mr. Assange is annoyed that such 'false conspiracies" [like
9/11] distract so many people (like you). ..."
- k -To put this in context it is necessary to understand
the relationship between the Zionistas and the ownership of Wikipedia (and
by extension - Wikileaks as well). I don't care what the "cables say"
- WMD was liquidated or moved during the 1991 War on Iraq that did not
end (because of the 24-7 bombing raids conducted from the no-fly zones).
The "2003 War on Iraq", was just the continuance of 1991 - and
by 2003 (cables or no cables) there were no weapons of mass-destruction
- The War on Iraq is America's longest running war
since it has been going on for NINETEEN years. This explains how it is
possible for the US Department of veterans Affairs to have issued their
casualty reports that clearly states: 73,846 US Dead, 1,620,906 Disabled.
- It seems, based on the information that was "leaked,"
that Israel and USI actually had a GREAT DEAL to GAIN by allowing these
leaked documents to be "given to the public" - which would explain
their reasons for not initially trying to arrest him or to kill him outright.
What happened instead was that the totally compromised psy-ops news organizations
of the US & Europe actually co-operated in the release to the information:
Now why do you suppose that happened? Again it is the Parallax View that
is being used to masque and to simultaneously promote the exact opposite
of what is true. This is part of why I and many others refrained from jumping
into this quagmire where white is painted as black and vice-versa.
- JQ: "So why is no one contesting these very dubious
and much more serious claims? These are claims that could be used to justify
an attack on Iran and the murder of millions of Iranian civilians? ...
- Assange on Netanyahu - In a recent Time Magazine interview,
Julian Assange stated that Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu "is
not a naive man" but rather a "sophisticated politician."
That's Assange's assessment of a man who is clearly a psychopath. In
the same interview Assange said: "We can see the Israeli Prime Minister
Netanyahu coming out with a very interesting statement that leaders should
speak in public like they do in private whenever they can. ... Apart from
the fact that he appears to be praising a pathological war criminal, Assange
displays an amazing level of naïveté. Netanyahu's comment
about Middle Eastern leaders making their private opinions public was in
reference to the leaked allegation that the Saudi, Jordanian and Emirati
governments were privately in favor of "cutting the head of the Iranian
snake", something that Netanyahu has been cheer-leading for several
- Despite this, Assange believes that this will lead to
"some kind of increase in the peace process in relation to Iran."
- k - A huge part of the above has to do with those in
the Middle-East who "live" in the situation every day. Intrinsically
the actual paradigms are known to those in charge, as well as the public
in residence there: However what is voiced to the outside world makes no
mention of what is actually going on. Assange floats over this reality
like a surfboard without a rider - just being tossed about by every passing
wave because he does not address either the reality beneath or the publically
spoken substitute for that reality.
- JQ: "But not everyone is fooled. On Wednesday, a
senior Turkish official blamed Israel for the Wiki-leaks release. Addressing
reporters, Huseyin Celik: "One has to look at which countries are
pleased with these," Celik was quoted as saying. "Israel is
very pleased. Israel has been making statements for days, even before
the release of these documents." "Documents were released and
they immediately said, 'Israel will not suffer from this.' How did they
know that?" Celik asked. He doesn't even realize that probably many
of these documents were created FOR leaking! ..."
- k - BINGO! Which is the reason that he should be charged
and face an open and public court: But precisely because of the dangers
inherent (to the powers that be) in such a course also ironically makes
the case for MURDER as the only solution - because if the truth comes out
then those that have benefited directly, from this series of leaks, will
become the losers (the Zionistas & USI) - as it does appear (to me)
- that these documents were "created FOR leaking."
- JQ: "The Wiki-leaks documents that provide evidence
for what is already understood should be accepted, the documents that echo
what we already know to be US and Israeli propaganda should be understood
as just that - US and Israeli propaganda. Is that so hard? Why are many
alternative news writers who railed against similar lies and disinformation
when it came from US and Israeli 'Intel reports' now accepting, or ignoring,
the same propaganda simply because it comes via Wiki-leaks?"
- k - I can only speak for myself, obviously. But I stayed
out of this until the dust settled - because of the vast amount of supposed
information. To comment initially would have been premature to say the
vey least. Now however as more and more of the substance and the garbage
begins to become visible - it is at least possible to be able to form opinions
and to say what that looks like to those of us that choose to have opinions
- and to defend them.
- JQ: "Do the Wiki-leaks documents have to be all
good or are all bad? Is such black and white thinking ever a good way
to discern truth from lies in a world where almost everything has some
element of spin? Are we so desperate for a truth-telling hero ... that
we have lost our ability to critically think? What happened to our ability
to understand and identify the nuances and subtitles of big government
- k- Of course not; except that that is the way most Amerikans
have come to view the world. "You're either with us or Against us
- George Bush" and the dutiful little mindless fools are still stuck
on that obscene language taken from a period of time that consisted only
of the LIES! Reality on the other hand has to do with the gray areas but
more to the point we must all deal with the full-spectrum of brilliant-color
which is what the actual world attempts to live in. As to: "our ability
to understand and identify the nuances and subtitles of big government
propaganda?" If that had ever been present then we would not be in
this mess in the first place!
- JQ: "The broad view of Wiki-leaks and its documents,
so far, paints a picture of a concerted effort to supplant the alternative,
anti-war media with an illusion of truth. As the Western mainstream media
continues to reach new heights of mendacity and obfuscation of the truth,
an increasing number of ordinary people have been turning to alternative
news sites for a more accurate perspective of what is happening on our
planet. This has posed a clear threat to those whose positions of influence
and power depend on a misinformed population. ..."
- k- This is also what has sped up USI's attempts to shut
down or divide the internet into a two-tiered system which by definition
would kill the actually valuable websites in a heartbeat. About the only
real threat left to Western Mainstream Media - is the alternative media,
with all of its strange and often accurate coverage of the world as it
appears to those of us that have to actually live in it.
- JQ: "The deception, of course, lies not in the release
of official documents, but in the use of those documents, which in themselves
do not constitute high crimes, as a cover to promote the same big government
lies. I submit that, based on the clear evidence, Wiki-leaks is just such
an organization and is designed to fulfill just such a role: the dissemination
of Plausible Lies."
- k- These so-called documents deal only with the lowest
form of classification: If Assange had turned out to be 'real' then quite
possibly a universal demand would have arisen from the public to go after
the real stuff that deals with What Really Happens at the ministerial levels
& above where the actual SECRETS hide? But since this issue has been
anything but substantive - when it comes to verifiable truths - as compared
to documents that seem to have been written for "a clandestine-discovery"
that might convince the skeptics of all sorts of crap that has nothing
to do with what has been and still is going on throughout the world - the
only real solution for which is to shut down the entire GLOBAL-DISORDER
mechanisms that will kill the planet very soon if they are not stopped.
- "What USI has done is to overload their response-to-anything
with piles of blubber in uniform, to imbed in the minds of the public that
might be thinking about resisting; the idea that RESISTANCE IS FUTILE.
However what they are trying to do is so blatantly weighted with overkill
that the result clearly shows just how very afraid this government really
is-of us!" (3)
- 1) Question Wiki-Leaks and Plausible Lies - Where Have
All The Critical Thinkers Gone?
- 2) Since Gulf-War 1, 73,846 US Dead, 1,620,906 Disabled
- 3) Overwhelming Force, a Transparent Mirage