- Radio Transcript Published In The American Free Press
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- By Tom Valentine with Daniel Hopsicker and Michael C.
Piper
- American Free Press
- January 6 & 13, 2003
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- Investigative journalist Daniel Hopsicker, producer of
the new video, "Mohamed Atta and the Venice Flying Circus," was
a guest on the Dec. 15 broadcast of Radio Free America, the weekly call-in
talk forum sponsored by American Free Press with host Tom Valentine.
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- Joining Valentine as co-host for the evening was AFP
Correspondent Michael Collins Piper. The two discussed Hopsicker's shocking
discoveries - outlined in his video - that prove, beyond any question,
that the U.S. government has been officially covering up explosive facts
about the activities and associations of reputed 9-11 hijacking ringleader
Mohamed Atta.
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- Excerpts:
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- Valentine:
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- For all intents and purposes, as your research into Barry
Seal has shown - along with the work of many others who have dared to look
into the subject matter - the world's largest cargo airline has been run
by the CIA. Intelligence officials have a definite link to this little
Venice airport, don't they? Some people would argue that it was "just
a coincidence" that Atta and the 9-11 boys would come there to learn
to fly.
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- Hopsicker:
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- It's beyond coincidence at this point. In fact, you'll
even find that the owner of the flight school in Venice, Wallace J. Hilliard,
was in business with a key figure in the Whitewater scandal, Truman Arnold,
a Bill Clinton crony from Arkansas who had been the finance chairman of
the Democratic Party.
- Arnold's attorney in Whitewater was longtime Washington
figure Richard Ben-Veniste, who was just named to sit on the 9-11 investigation
panel.
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- So, Ben-Veniste has ties to people he is supposed to
be investigating. So when you are talking, in this case, about the owner
of the "terror flight school" you are talking about a person
that anyone might naturally consider a possible suspect.
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- Hilliard, a 70-year-old multimillionaire health insurance
executive and a self-styled Mormon bishop, inexplicably went into business
three years ago with a Dutch native living in America, Rudy Dekkers, and
began buying flight schools which shortly thereafter were flooded with
Arab student pilots.
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- Initially, I thought that Dekkers owned the flight school.
But Hilliard was always the true owner of the flight school where Atta
and one of the other 9-11 hijackers trained.
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- There was another hijacker who trained next door at the
Florida Flight Training Center which - coincidentally, you might say -
is also owned by a Dutch native.
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- It appears that Zaccarias Moussaoui who is scheduled
to go on trial for conspiracy in the 9-11 attacks was also here.
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- Valentine:
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- The federal authorities came in and grabbed up all of
the records of the flight school.
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- Hopsicker:
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- That's right. They flew them out on a plane that also
had Jeb Bush aboard.
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- Valentine:
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- The federal authorities told the local law enforcement
authorities to keep their noses out of the investigation, didn't they?
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- Hopsicker:
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- That's correct. I sat down with two Southern lawmen,
a current sheriff and his immediate predecessor. These two guys looked
me dead in the eye and said that, based on what they have seen with a lot
of CIA-connected covert operations in the area, the CIA was somehow involved
in, if not responsible for, the World Trade Center attacks.
- You might expect some wild-eyed leftist radical to say
that. But these are two Southern sheriffs. They have spent years watching
CIA activities that they could not interfere with.
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- (snip)
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- Piper:
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- I'd like to make a comment about your video, "Mohamed
Atta and the Venice Flying Circus." I have to say it was riveting.
There are a lot of people who are looking into 9-11, focusing on various
theories and propositions that run contrary to the official government
version of the events.
- However, what Daniel Hopsicker has done in this video
has taken a very specific set of circumstances and events linked specifically
to the people who are alleged by the government to have committed the 9-11
atrocity and has uncovered all of these remarkable facts - not theories.
If you look at this aspect of the whole 9-11 story, the portion that Daniel
has assembled, and you see all the holes in the "official" story
in the context of what Daniel has presented, then you know that there is
a much bigger cover-up and a much bigger scandal beyond what Daniel has
covered.
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- Valentine:
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- Who are these Dutch fellows? How did they get involved?
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- Hopsicker:
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- That's the question. Who are these guys? Why were they
training hundreds of Arabs here in America to fly? There aren't that many
flight jobs in the Arab world, yet they were training hundreds of men for
only a handful of jobs. So something else was really going on. And what
they did simply did not make business sense. They paid twice what the flight
school in Venice was worth, clearly throwing around somebody else's money.
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- If you were the CIA and you were running some secret
operation in this country and you wanted to create plausible deniability,
then why not bring in two Dutch men to come to the United States and run
the flight school for you?
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- It's a big story. I will tell you that I have just completed
a three-hour taped interview with Atta's American girlfriend.
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- Valentine:
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- I didn't even know that Atta had an American girlfriend.
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- Hopsicker:
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- Well, there you go again. You have to ask yourself why
you didn't know that. Don't you think you would have seen a ton of stories
- at least in the supermarket tabloids - about this woman under titles
such as "I Dated a Terrorist." The truth is that this woman is
in hiding. I had to track her down and convince her to talk to me.
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- Valentine:
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- One would normally think that you can sell that to The
National Enquirer.
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- Hopsicker:
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- I don't think they are interested.
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- Valentine:
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- No, they probably are not interested. I think the Enquirer
is a front for these operations, too. In fact, my colleague here, Michael
Collins Piper, did a pioneering story for the old Spotlight pointing out
that all of the tabloids are owned by one company - most people don't realize
that - which is controlled by a Wall Street banker named Roger Altman,
who, as a deputy treasury secretary under Bill Clinton, was - again - a
key figure in the Whitewater scandal.
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- Piper:
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- That's correct. The fact is that the tabloids have a
long-standing relationship with the CIA that goes back to the early years
of both the tabloids and the CIA itself.
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- Valentine:
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- So the tabloids probably won't be interested in any stories
that might implicate the CIA in any covert activities involving the circles
around Atta.
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- Hopsicker:
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- Atta's girlfriend was a pink-haired stripper. She lived
with him for two months before she kicked Atta out when she found a new
boyfriend.
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- From what she described, we've been able to positively
identify five people who were close associates of Atta. I don't mean fellow
student pilots. I'm talking about people he went to meetings with. They
are all still alive and I will tell you this: they are not Arabs. They
are all Germans.
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- Here's Atta, who spent eight years in a two-year urban
planning collegiate program in Hamburg, Germany. What was Atta doing in
German for all those years? Didn't anyone in Germany notice that this foreign
national had spent eight years in a two-year program? Of course they did.
Atta was an intelligence agent.
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- And from what his girlfriend told me. Atta was psychopathic
enough to have done what he is said to have done. And he did hate the United
States. I have no proof that he was the guy who flew into the World Trade
Center, but everything I have shows that he could have.
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- Valentine:
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- Does anyone really have any proof as to who the hijackers
are who were aboard those planes?
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- Hopsicker:
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- Not to my knowledge. I haven't followed that end of it.
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- Piper:
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- All we really know is that persons - using the passports
and identities of foreign nationals, mostly Saudis - were aboard those
ill-fated planes and that they spoke Arabic. But Israel's Mossad has a
long documented record of infiltrating Arab terrorist organizations with
Arabic-speaking Jews who pose as Arabs.
- And it should be noted that even many Arabs had some
real doubts about whether Ramzi Yousef, who organized the first World Trade
Center bombing, was really even an Arab.
- That fact is not very well known nor is it mentioned
by people such as Larry Klayman of Judicial Watch who is trying to connect
Yousef and Saddam Hussein to the Oklahoma City bombing.
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- Valentine:
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- What is this German connection?
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- Hopsicker:
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- I don't have the slightest clue. But then, again, speaking
of the Oklahoma City bombing, just ask yourself the question: Who was Andreas
Strassmeir, the German national, who was intimately tied to the circumstances
surrounding the Oklahoma City bombing?
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- Valentine:
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- Strassmeir was the close friend of self-styled "Southern
rights activist" Kick Lyons who played a part in the destruction of
Liberty Lobby, the populist institution that published The Spotlight.
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- Piper:
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- When you mentioned this German connection, I immediately
thought of Lyon's friend Strassmeir who - although German and ostensibly
a "neo-Nazi" - turns out to be quite fluent in Hebrew, the state
language of Israel.
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- As much as it will surprise many people, the fact is
that Israeli and German intelligence are very, very tightly interconnected,
going back to the days of German General Reinhard Gehlen (who became a
U.S. asset after World War II and who worked quite closely with the Israelis,
a point that many people like to forget).
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- And if you bother to look into the Lavon Affair of the
1950s, when the Israelis plotted terrorist attacks against U.S. installations
in Egypt to be falsely blamed on the Muslim Brotherhood, there were Germans
involved in that little venture.
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- Hopsicker:
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- Well, I will say this: I know some other things that
I'm not telling right now. There are ties to the former KGB in all of this.
The KGB has been around Hilliard's operation in Venice. I don't know why
they were there, but I know that Hilliard knew they were there. And not
just the KGB, there were individuals who flew for the Israeli military
who were there at the Venice airport.
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- Valentine:
- How much do the local law enforcement authorities in
Venice know about all of this?
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- Hopsicker:
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- They aren't stupid. But there's a limit to what they
can do. I interviewed the local chief of police in Venice and he was totally
apologetic about what he was forced to allow to happen in his town. The
police were not allowed to touch Dekkers's operation at the Venice airport.
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- The Drug Enforcement Administration, for example, told
the police to stay away. The airport had a "green light," whatever
that means.
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- The chief told me that the Venice airport was the kind
of place where it was not unusual to see an American military helicopter
touch down at three in the morning and then take off again.
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- Valentine:
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- This sounds like the Mena, Ark., airport all over again.
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- Piper:
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- All of the facts that Daniel has presented in his video
have been suppressed by every newspaper in the world, except, of course,
for American Free Press. All of this information points to one thing: that
Atta was not just "working for Osama bin Laden," if he was even
working for bin Laden at all. Atta was moving in circles that were under
the discipline of the U.S. government's own intelligence community.
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- Hopsicker:
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- I'll speculate for a moment: having spent a year in Venice
on this investigation, it looks to me as if one of two things was going
on here - and frankly, I have no idea which is correct. Either the CIA
was running a covert operation and training hundreds of Arab pilots in
an effort to place human assets in bin Laden's organization or somebody
was trading oil and heroin for guns and training on the southwest coast
of Florida from 1999 to 2001.
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- I believe that the resignation of both Henry Kissinger
and George Mitchell, the co-chairman of the 9-11 probe, points to something
critical. I think that once the Iraqi war is over, there will be renewed
attention to what happened on 9-11: who did it and why? I think Kissinger
and Mitchell quit because they are looking at something that is 10 times
bigger than Watergate.
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- http://www.libertyforum.org/showflat.php?Cat=&Board=news_government&Number=387736&t=-1
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- Comment
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- From Horace Livitus
defendus2001@yahoo.com
1-8-3
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- They failed to mention it, but, the world's largest cargo
airline should be FEDEX (formerly Federal Express), and FEDEX is the subject
of my latest CIA Takeover study.
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- Yes, AIR AMERICA was, in fact, run by the CIA. I know
that because a former Air America Station Manager became a manager at a
famous international airline where I worked. He was mixed up with the Gambino
mob before Pauley Castellano was whacked by Sammy the Bull. A lot of the
cargo from this airline took feet, right under this guy's nose. The security
manager for this airline had just retired from a nearby county as a lieutenant
in its police force.
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- The manager from AA went on to become vice president
of Servair Inc. This was another CIA operation. The stuff that took feet
from the international airline ended up in Servair trucks. Servair was
later named "Dynair."
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- If you're interested in proof, type in "Servair
Dynair and Dyncorp" in google. You'll see. Servair, by the by, was
headquartered in Langley, VA. Who else is headquartered in Langley?
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- Well, guess what you'll see at any U.S. post Office these
days? Okay, a rack of 1075 Hours Free CD's on AOL, but besides that? Okay,
so you don't know. It's a FEDEX drop box. (Not the tightest ship or Airborne).
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- Remember that it was the Frederick Smith, regular guy,
who invested $20 million of his own money in a venture which he wrote about
in a Master's Dissertation at Yale. (Yes, that's the college where Bush,
Bush, Bush and Bush went to college)(okay, that's Prescott, George H.W.,
George W. and one of the twin girls).
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- (I'd also like to mention Southern Air Transport which
used Boeing 707's- same as Air America and the U.S. Air Force "water
wagons.")
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- Now, Federal Express, as a start up company had the brilliant
idea to open up a flying school providing training on Falcon 10 business
jets. These are the first airplanes that FEDEX used. They became an FAA
licensed (Part 141) school so that military pilots could use their veteran's
benefits to pay for the flying lessons. Graduates went on to jobs with
the mother airline, FEDEX! (Brilliant, aren't they?)
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- Guess what? I've begun a study of collocated FEDEX buildings.
That is, a FEDEX facility located right next to a Federal Government facility.
I just started so I don't want to mention the numbers, but its impressive.
You can do your own study if you like. I think you'll be impressed.
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- What a bunch of wild and crazy guys! You would think
they were Wall Street or something! (Or are they?)
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